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I can promise you if the deer were able to shoot back there wouldn't be a hunter in the woods.

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WOW! How clever

Mike

Wow... You've out smarted a deer... Here's a cookie.

I'm not going to say that never happens but the vast majority of hunters are responsible people who take the meat and the antlers. There are laws prohibiting the waste of a game animal but as with all laws there are those who ignore them.

Mike

Come on folks, let's not get into an argument here. I think that most of us agree in that hunting has its good points and its bad. Not everyone will agree with each other (of course), and debating is okay, but we don't want this to get ugly.

Personally, I think that it would be fun to go hunting, but not with all of this new technology. A rifle and patience would be all that I'd take.

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hey, i don't care if you hunt for meat - fine - go for it - i don't particularly like the taste of venison anyway - so i wouldn't be out there killing one.

I can understand the hunt for controlling populations. I'm all for that too - especially considering there isn't alot of natural predators out there (wolves, lynx, mountain lions etc) - you don't have the predators out there - the population can't be kept in check with more natural methods.

The hunting I don't like is the trophy hunting, which, since i live in the city, is the most common form it seems. Its a waste of a carcass. People go out there, kill an elk, chop off its head, skin the head for the skull and antlers, and then leave the carcass for the bears. Ok, the bears get food - but it is a detriment to them because they start to associate humans with food.

Mousling,
The point is that hunters like hunting. We enjoy the outdoors the chase and even the culmination of the hunt. The kill is a part of the hunt. While there is definitely a rush and elation at a shot well made it isn't the death of the animal that brings satisfaction. Rather it is the proof that our strategy or perseverance or just plain smarts paid off. Many, not all, of those who are after antlers are hunting a particular animal that they've scouted and tracked to figure out it's habits and so be in a place where they are afforded a shot.

Many, if not all, states offer doe and cow permits to keep the population in check but their goal is not to wipe out the species but to manage the population for everyone to enjoy.

The bottom line though is if you eat meat, don't get on people for hunting. If you do not eat meat, fire away.

Carnivorous Mike

"Also, i dont eat dear, and i dont pay people to kill dear for me.

When i eat meat, it is from farms, where it ISNT wild. "

So what if it isnt "wild". The cow doesnt know it isnt in the wild. When you buy beef at the market, your funding the raising and eventual slaughter of an animal. Some farms are in horrible condition as well. The animals have little or no room to move and are not taken care of.(http://www.shameway.com/cowpigslaughter.html) By going to the supermarket and buying meat you are paying the guys who raise the cows and then kill and package them. Zebra is just cutting out the middle man.


To clarify: Im not a vegitarian. It just irks me when people act like eating beef from the ACME is completely different and more civilized then hunting your own food.

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um.. who says that everyone that went hunting is going to acually EAT the deer?

Also, i dont eat dear, and i dont pay people to kill dear for me.

When i eat meat, it is from farms, where it ISNT wild.

Well, most farms aren't all that humane either, although some are.

And me personally, everyone that I know that hunts for deer, water fowl, whatever always eats what they get. I don't know any sport hunters.

um.. who says that everyone that went hunting is going to acually EAT the deer?

Also, i dont eat dear, and i dont pay people to kill dear for me.

When i eat meat, it is from farms, where it ISNT wild.

Overpopulation is definitely a problem. Which is why the system and the hunters should encourage hunting does, not bucks. Unless you get every single buck it's only cutting down on the numbers one at a time. Kill a doe and you've prevented her from having a fawn a year for the rest of her life. If I'm missing some important point other than people being impressed with each others' antlers, fill me in, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

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uhh, i never said it was wrong - I jsut said I had no inclination to do it.

I understand overpopulation, I understand hunting for food.

It is MY opinion. I just myself CANNOT hunt.

oh, and i'm not a vegetarian. and I know people kill the meat that I eat. I have no issue. as I said, I have just seen enough of it to last me a while with what I do.

I never condemned anyone. Please do not condemn us that do not agree.

Oh, and also - if you are going to go out and hunt, make sure your shot kills it - and doesn't let it suffer needlessly. Even if it is just for 10 or 15 minutes. Its still suffering. Just shoot it in the head or heart and kill it quickly.

Last edited by meriadoc at 21-Nov-2004 18:15

If there was no deer hunting- there would be deer everywhere we looked which would increase the number of people killed by deer running in the road in front of cars.. deer hunting is not murder- you have to control the population!! yes- i think its very cruel to kill animals for no reason, but its not like we killed it and left it there to rot- we took it to the deer processing plant to get deer meat to EAT!!!!! geez people get a grip

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I dont see what the big deal is. We have guns and they dont, but so what? A pack of wolves has claws, teeth, and teamwork. Thats something deer don't have and yet its not unfair. Having an advantage over what you eat is what makes you a preditor and makes what you eat the prey. We would have no chance in catching deer (or other game), if we didnt have guns. So we adapted in a way other animals cannot. Am I for the needless and painful killing of animals? No. But if you like venison and get it over with quickly then go for it. As long as its quick and doesnt affect the population its ok.

Last edited by katieb at 21-Nov-2004 14:32

I'll do graffiti,
If you sing to me in French.

Which of you anti-hunters is vegatarian? If you are not, you pay others to kill your meat. In the eyes of the law, someone who pays for the killing is as guilty as the killer.

Just a thought, Mike

Hunting is necessary in some places.

Overpopulation is just as sick as killing them. At least when you hunt them hundreds of deer don't slowly starve to death.

Personally I don't hunt, but I have no problem with it.

My g/f's brother and dad went last weekend, they got 3.

i think hunting is sick.

I would only hunt if the deer was able to shoot me back.

I haven't been hunting in many years. I used to go when I younger. I just don't have the time or the interest anymore.

ditto what gary said.

I have no inclination to go deer hunting, or any hunting for that matter. I've seen too many dead deer, moose, elk, pig, quail, pheasant etc etc these past months - and the people getting 8x10s of said animals shot and skinned to last me a very long time.

So no hunting here. Not unless it was out of pure necessity. I prefer shooting with a camera.

Yesterday morning me and my dad went deer hunting. it was so awesome. We had been there for about 3 hours when 2 deers came up and were walking toward us. my dad shot at them once and they both moved a few feet and looked at us again so my dad shot at them again and then they ran away. we went and looked at where they had been standing when my dad shot and we saw hair and then we say blood!!!! so me and my dad followed the blood trail for an hour or more!!! then when we got our in a open field we saw him- and then he fell to the ground. we werent sure if he was dead so we waited about 10 min. then walked up to him and sure enough he was dead!!!!! we thought he was a doe when we shot him but when we came up to him he was a button buck- he was little bitty nubs on his head . it was really great! so who else went deer hunting?
-kristin

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