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They're gettin tortured by getting dyed though, it's not natural man, and they don't like it. So if someone stuck you in acid and had you dyed pretty colors it wouldn't be considered cruel?

I must admit I prefer the unusual varieties, but that's not
unusual that's arterficial]:|]:|]:|]:|]:|]:|]:|.

thats not what mother nature had in mind for the dear old goldfish.

how much lower can you go?????]:|

thats disgustin
people do things like that to so many fish these days
i agree it should be illegal
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"i only care about that they don't get released and change wild fish"
bettachris, even if these fish were released in2 the wild, and bred, it wudn't produce fish lookin like they do, as the fish r only tattooed whoch means that the colourin gioven 2 them isn't in the genes in the sperm used 2 fertilise the eggs, it's just like a man wif tattoos cannot produce children who instantly hav tattoos wen they r born
but damn, y do they dye fish?

Last edited by smilingpiranha at 21-Apr-2005 12:52

I dont see why there is no regulation for this trade. They should make painting fish illegal or something.

Clownygirl I agree with you. Honestly!

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Well, you might be able to determine the cause of death. But it seems to me like taking a sick canary into a coal mine, you know

I'll do graffiti,
If you sing to me in French.

why?

"The glow fish that are bred that way is there anything that happens to them health wise."

I havent heard any bad reports. They were bred to show where pollution is in streams. Seems kind of silly to release sick fish in order to show where pollution is. You wouldnt know if they died due to the ill-effects of being genetically engineered or because of a high level of pollution.

I'll do graffiti,
If you sing to me in French.

that was opinion being a man of wholesale ican't stop getting the painted fish. one Q though. the glow fish that are bred that way is there anything that happens to them health wise. "people will always that different ways to see things." ~Bettachris

Last edited by bettachris at 08-Mar-2005 17:49

Maybe they all died from being dyed.

EWW! Thats not right. And guesse what ? There out of Stock!

Not exactly cancer. They did studies on the recurrence of the virus Lymphocystus (sp?) in dyed fish. Something like 75% of the painted fish have it, only 1-2% of the natural fish do.

Bettachris, if cruelty is not being taken care of, that leaves a lot of things open. If I give my dog food, water, and shelter, can I beat him mercilessly? If not, then if I take him to the vet after, is it ok then? Cruelty is defined as "something that causes pain or suffering", and rightly so. Like Rusty said, new studies are being performed that show that fish do feel pain. Therefore, these fish are feeling pain and are suffering when they are stabbed with needles and dipped in acid. That is cruelty to me.

I would love it if there were laws against such practices. Unfortunately, I can't see it happening in the near future. It isn't logical. Most, if not all, of the dying happens at the fish farms in SE Asia. To really STOP the dying, the laws and regulations would have to extend there. Otherwise, it will still keep happening.

As bad as it is, it sort of makes sense that now they are dying goldfish. They've got to dye a hardy fish, and goldies can be EXTREMELY hardy. I mean, look at all those poor goldies that live in bowls for years.

Poor things.

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They shade the glow of it with their mossy-misty costumes,
They wear masks of silk, porcelain, brass, and silver,
So as not to mislead with their own, ordinary faces.

Not to mention, the dye they use causes cancer... so they die of cancer shortly... plain awful. I don't see how anyone can not care about that.

I hope this thread doesn't turn nasty but

Tell me: if I stabbed my dog with a pencil or dipped her in acid, would that be cruelty?

that is a very good question
They are now beginning to prove that fish do indeed feel "pain" so this sort of stuff really bothers me

That injection is done with a normal sized needle. Given the size of the fish, this is rather like you being stabbed with an unsharpened pencil and having paint pumped into your arm. And yes, about 80% of the fish die.
With fish that are dipped, the fish is dipped in acid, then dye, and then acid again. Rather like - well, like dipping you in acid.

Tell me: if I stabbed my dog with a pencil or dipped her in acid, would that be cruelty?

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maybe it's just me but i don't feel that way. how i define cruel : not taking care of. to me i see that the fish are still healthy (some) after getting dyed. i was talking with my wholesaler and he told me that the parrot fish are injected. that is sad, but there is really nothing that can be changed. these fishes often lose color after a couple of months. with this i hope that people will learn that these fish aren't naturally that color and will stop buying them. but unfortiunally that isn't reality. i am not to sure about dying of paintin', i b4 this have never really heard of this. i find it hard to believe that a fish can be painted, but i will take ur word for it. so in my opinion i feel that colored fish weren't being tortured. how fish are being tortured is when keepers don't care for them, or feed them.

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Someone please tell me goldfish now just come in bright pinks and blues. I used to joke about this...saying how just pathetic it would be for there to be a painted goldfish, a fish that has tons of colors, and many varities. Ugh...I hope it's just photoshopped and they never attempt to sell those.

so sad]:|

really, i don't care about altured fish. i only care about that they don't get released and change wild fish. i don't think it is animal curelty b/c it isn't like the animals aren't getting feed, or living conditions. etc.

You know what, I think someone should push for that as animal cruelty...I'm sure people have been trying for a long time though. Heck, I'm gonna try it sometime, sometime soon.