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whats them ost aggressive fish that can live in a 30 permanately, also what coudll ive with 1 convict in a 30

you could have 2 convicts you could have a breeding pair but you would need to move the female after breeding or he will kill the female and he will try to eat her. Or you could put 3 males in the they would have enough space in that tank.

are we talking about 2 30's or 1 thirdy with a convict in it.

i am guessing 1 30 with a convict in it, add another convict and hopefully get a breeding pair.

i dotn want breeding, nothingi n tank except danios which ill move

Honestly, it escapes me as to why people think that convicts are such great chichlids for small tanks. After all, they can grow up to 8 inches each. IMO, a small, yet viscious fish is the bucktooth tetra

Last edited by djtj at 15-Sep-2005 19:14

I would disagree with a convict in a 30g. After seeing and realizing how big adults are I would say that a 55g is the minimum. If you want an agressive fish go with a tangaykin shelldweller. Most are pretty calm but the occelaris have a rep of being agressive.

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Dont quite understand why people want aggressive fish in particular- doesnt it just lead to problems like mutilated fish for example? To choose a pirahna for its interesting biology, or its looks fine, but to choose it for its aggression? Thats just plain weird.

Don't go cichlid, but rather a NA native like one of the smaller sunfish species

Longhairedgit- Judging from the customers I deal with that buy aggressive fish, the majority of folks like them because they believe that "aggressive" always means "will eat other fish"; they actually enjoy watching fights break out in their tank; and they like a pet with "attitude" that won't put up with any disrespect. Are these the right reasons? That depends on your individual morals and values; but it can't be denied that fish viewed as mean or aggressive sell in large numbers.

I agree that convicts get too big for thirty gallons. I do like the Lamprologus ocellatus idea, maybe go with those shelldwellers.

Last edited by sirbooks at 16-Sep-2005 10:47

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Sirbooks- good point, I understand that a great many people will want to buy "hard fish" lol. The point is - Im not saying people that like aggressive fish are always synonomous with people who would wish to make their fish actually fight, but I have seen large numbers of forums that are dedicated to people basically revelling in the mutilation of their fish, and some incredibly immature, unempathic and selfish thinking is really all thats needed to spark animal abuse. Its it just like people who buy pitbulls for fighting , and it rather worryingly seems to be a trend on the rise, perhaps because dog fighting etc is largely outlawed.

I dont think that large numbers of people wishing to do something is anything close to proof positive of it being the right thing to do . What im saying is that it isnt a good thing and its a bit more of an issue than saying its just up to personal choice, there are serious cases of fishy abuse happening out there. It is one thing to offer a fish live food, but to force it to fight with a conspecific in a situation where it really has no choice and severe injury of death is expected is positively inhuman.Or saddeningly depressingly human, depending on your point of view. Besides which, its quite possible that many of your customers may well already be breaking the law, albeit behind closed doors.

Just because the penalties for this kind of animal abuse are some way behind the penaties bestowed for those who engage in dog fighting etc, doesnt mean its really a personal choice issue. In most home countries for visitors of this site, the uk, america, australia , canada etc- putting fish together specifically to make them fight is illegal as it contravenes many standard keeping regulations. Even live food has some rights in most countries.

If someone has a big tough fish, loves it to death and does their best to keep it healthy Ive no problem with that. I myself have a large arowana, and when arowanas fight they dont half go at it, but my fish will never see anything other than incidental violence and then should fighting occur the fish would be seperated immediately.

What worries me is that alongside the mentality of people wanting a tough fish is also very occasionally the willingness to watch it fight or put it in a position where its instincts force it into an unavoidable fight. Bearing in mind that there is no option to retreat in the confines of an aquarium this is massively cruel and an act I find totally despicable.

So while there is no harm in admiring the physical strengths of a fish, it is a fairly purile and prepubescent thing to do, and there is usually so much more to any given fish than simply its fighting ability. I guess I was just saying that when you look at a fish if all you see is its fighting ability then its a bit of a shame. Fish offer so much more than that.I think people should be encouraged to look beyond that small thing, after all it is that spirit of enlightenment that will prevent fish abuse as a pleasant side effect of the process of learning.

Perhaps the first step in the admiration of or attraction to a fish might be an interest in its fighting ability or its fearsome reputation,(im sure most of us have our childhood memories about being thrilled by sharks, and the aggression of fighting fish etc,) but then we should do better and leave such childish things behind, and accept fighting as being as it always was before our fascination with it blew things out of proportion - a small part of an otherwise interesting, rich ,and peaceful life, and that conflict is not to be encouraged beyond the odd breeding endeavour or what is strictly necessary for live feedings.


Last edited by longhairedgit at 19-Sep-2005 21:55