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So am I! Where do you live? I live in KEW. i found Bolivivan Rams, but the fish store said they grow to 15cm. Is that true?
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I would like to thank everybody who helped me stock my tank. I am amazed how much patience everyone has. I was wondering Sirbooks if it would be ok to have:
2 lace gouramis
4 panda corys
4 julii corys
7 glass bloodfin tetras
7 rummy nose tetras
Someone at the fish store said that I could fit one more group of fish in there. I would like a rainbow shark, but are they to aggressive and would that be overstocked with it? Would it nip or bully any of the other fish?
Thankyou so much for your help! I want this tank to be a success!!! I appreciate your help and patience!!!!

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I decided not to get the dwarf cichlid because the fish store said they get to 15cm and need to be in schools! Is this true?
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no thats false, Bolivians grow to 7cm max.
Your LFS probably thought you were talking about something else like Keyholes.

I like you current set up as well, very nice




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labrakitty, I live in Mooroolbark.
Which shop told you this? They dont grow that big.


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Bolivan rams only grow to about seven centimeters, and they are not schooling fish. Whoever told you this doesn't know what they're talking about. A Bolivian ram should do just fine in your tank. I'd just stick with the setup mentioned above.

By the way, cories should be kept in groups of six or more, of the same species. Mixing them up isn't a good idea, because two groups of four will not be as active as one group of eight, or even of six. I'd stick with six or seven pandas.



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bolivian rams are very nice i'll see if i can find a pic of mine and update this post if i do, i'm probably going to be getting some panda's and the resaerch ive done says theyre the most entertaining corys and have a HUGE personality so i dnt think you are going to be disappointed
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I think I will go with:
2 lace gouramis
4 panda corys
4 julii corys
1 bolivian ram
7 glass bloodfin tetras
7 rummy nose tetras
Would this be ok? I have a really expert book about catfsih that is written by a vet and expert fish keeper and it says that corys do not mind to have different types of corys in their school. Could I have instead of the bolivian ram maybe a keywhole cichlid or a flag cichlid? Or are they to big?
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I go to Blackburn Aquarium, water world aquarium and Balwyn Aquarium, what aquariums do you go to? I think I will probobly go with:
2 lace g
4 panda corys
4 julii corys
7 glass bloodfin tetras
7 rummy nose tetras
Maybe 1 bolivian ram

Will this be ok?
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What is your Bolivian Ram homed with? Is it happy? What do you feed it? How big is yo9ur tank?
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I respectfully disagree on the cories. Experience and research has told me that they prefer to shoal with their own kind, and exclude other catfish. I've heard stories of two large Corydoras shoals being kept in the same tank. Occasionally, they would cross paths. Each species would swim right through the other's group, and stay in their own the whole time. I'm sure that there are other member who can back me up on this.



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I have also read that they only need to be in groups of 4 and lots of people have does this and had no trouble. I have seen 4 Pandas at m LFS and they schooled together perfectly, and were perfectly happy. But I want to know what you think of the tank apart from that
2 Pearl gouramis
4 panda corys
4 julii corys
7 glass bloodfin tetras
7 rummy nose tetras
1 bolivian ram
Please reply as soon as possible as I will be going out soon.

Thankyou,
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I agree with books on this.
I highly recommend that you only keep one type of cory in your tank. Besides having one school of 7 would look far nicer then having two schools of 4.

Ideal schools numbers are 7+. They can be kept in schools of 4 but they much prefer the company of more cories. Having 7+ schools will make them more lively and more happy.

Also a keyhole would'nt be able to fit in that setup with all thoses other fish.



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I have a book on catfish wich is written by an expert who has a DR. it says that they do not mind being with other species of corydoras and you can even has a school of 6 with one corydoras of each type. So I will be having:
2 lace gourmis
4 Panda Corys
4 Julii corys
6 or 7 glass bloodfin tetras
6 or 7 rummy nose tetras
maybe 1 bolivian ram
Would this be ok? What should the water parameters be? What should I feed them?
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I have got a new idea for my tank. I want angels. Wold I be able to have:
2 lace gouramis
2 angels
4 panda corys
4 julii corys
7 rummy nose tetras
I suddenly want angels! I don't know why. Has anybody kept them? Are they easy? Can someone tell me about them? Tahnkyou!

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Or amybe:
1 angelfish
2 lace gouramis
4 panda corys
4 julii corys
8 rummy nose tetras
Thankyou for all your help. I appreciate it so much. Could you please just help me with this little thing!

Thankyou so much!

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Ummm...it sounds okay to me. I don't really know about the angel but I do know that they can be kept in 29 gallon tanks and above.
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I would keep the tank stock as you had it with no angels. I just dont think the tank is big enough to house angels and gouramis.

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I really want an angel. What about
1 lace gourami
1 angel
4 panda corys
4 julii corys
8 rummy nose tetras

P.S. Where is REgency Aquarium, I have also been to Fishy Business. BlackBurn is the best though.
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I agree with Lindy, the angelfish won't work out as well as a ram. They (angelfish) don't always get along well gouramis, and they don't look as nice as Bolivian rams anyways, in my opinion.

This might well be the last thing I say on this subject, but I must really stress that cories should be kept in shoals of at least six. Two groups of four will be somewhat stressed, and less active than a single group of six. I totally disagree with your book's author. When was Just because someone said something in a book, and because they are a doctor, doesn't mean they are correct. Remember, the leading scientists way back when believed that the sun revolved around the Earth. Also, when was this written? Older aquarium books are out of date, and often incorrect in their information. The author's assertion that one each of six species of cories will shoal together is really only partially true, as well. They might shoal out of stress and fear, but groups of six are the way to go. I will happily debate with you, the book, and anyone who disagrees with me in a thread in Bottom Feeder Frenzy. If you wish to further discuss this, and clear it up, making a thread in there would be the way to go.



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I think you are right, I will probobly get:
2 lace gouramis
8 panda corys
1 Bolivian ram
7 rummy nose tetras
7 could I have cardinals to add some colour? Or would glass bloodifns be better? Or glo-lgihts?
Would this list be ok? What should the water parameters be?

Tahnkyou so much!

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Sure, seven cardinal tetras would be great. They can sometimes be boisterous though, so check with other folks and make sure that they will leave the gouramis alone. You wouldn't want to have fish-fights breaking out. I like cards more than the other tetras you mentioned (more character, and they are more beautiful), so those would be preferable.

All of these fish prefer soft, acidic water. However, I'm not an advocate of changing water conditions around just to suit fish. I've got a South American fish tank of my own that is operating at a high pH, around 8.0. As long as there are not sudden fluctuations of water parameters, the fish should be fine in most conditions.

That stocking list looks good, I think you are all set!



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So with:
2 lace gouramis
8 Panda corydoras
1 Bolivian Ram(there was one at the my lfs quite dull, but I will wait till they get a nice one in)
7 rummy nose tetras
7 cardinals
Ph: 7.0 (gouramis don't like acidic I don't think?)
Gh: about 8 dGh do you think?
Temp: 26c ?
The gouramis don't like acididc do they? Or would they be ok in 6.5-7.0 ? What do you think about the water parameters?

Tahnkyou!

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would it be ok to have:
2 lace gouramis
8 pandas
8 rummy nose tetras
8 cardinal tetras
because the cardinals are only 3cm? Would that be overstocked?

Thankyou so much!

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Ops! and 1 Bolivian ram!

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bolivians arnt all that colorfull to begin with but they do have some. its prolly dull because its in a fish store. more often then not a little TLC ( tender lovin' care ) will bring out colors of fish from the store. they are stressed from a long trip in the back of a truck and then thrown into crowded tanks.
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You are probobly right~
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My final choice is:
2 lace gouramis
2 bolivian rams
6 panda corys
6 cardianl tetras
6 rummy nose tetras
Ph:6.8-7.0
Gh:8dGH
temp:24-26

Will this be ok? Lots of colour, lots of activity! I will feed them mornal flakes, algae flakes, frozen brine shrimp, and maybe live brine shrimp or black worms for a treat once a month, I will feed the corys and bolivian rams: shrimp pellets, algae wafers, and normal wafers, as well as the frozen and live food. Is that good?

Thankyou so much for all your help! You have led me to success!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yeah, that sounds fine.

Best of Luck with your new tank





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Thankyou very much!

Labrakitty

P.S. You can still post messages and ideas becuase I am not buying the fish till the 21 of January. I have ordered the tank though. And got the filter already.
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The tank sounds great. I dont think we should post anymore ideas or you'll get stuck again!

PS Regency is in Croydon


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Ok, good idea.

Tahnks to everybody that helped. My final choice:
2 lace oguramis
2 bolivian rams
6 panda corys
6 cardinals
6 rummy nose

Bye!!!

Labrakitty
P.S. Tahnks for telling me where regency is. To far away for me.

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It's been fun watching you go through the process of selecting a community tank. You mentioned soon getting your tank and then getting your fish on 1/21/05. In addition to learning about fish compatibility, I hope that you have put in some time learning about cycling a tank and how to add fish in. I've only been a hobbyist for a couple of years and am no expert but I do know that you should not put all of those fish into a new tank at once. First the tank needs to be cycled (quicker with Bio Spira or use the traditional, several-months fishless cycle process). Whichever way, you should start by introducing your most hardy fish (I don't know if you have super hardy fish in your groups but perhaps the Lace Gouramis) and every few weeks add another type. I think your Rams and Cardinals should be your last entries as I think they are the most tender to water problems. Good luck.
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Thanks fo telling me, I already have a 10 gallon tank with fish, I have been running the filter for the big tank in the tank hoping to get a little bit of bacteria to help with the cycle. I think the rummy nose are actually the most delicate apart from the cardinals. And the pandas are also quite delicate. I am going to try and do a fihsless cycle, by buying and adding pure ammonia fromt he supermarket or somewhere. So I do not kill any fish.

Tahnks for the tip,

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Thankyou everybody, I have thought about maybe just 1 lace gourami and instead a pair of blue rams as well as the pair of Bolivian rams. Are they extremely hard to keep? Would it be to hard for the tank? Would they fight with the Bolivians or would the tank be to boisterous? What are your thoughts on Blue rams(german rams)?

Thanks!

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I dont think you should put 2 blue rams and 2 bolivian rams in the same tank of 30g. Bolivian Rams need quite a bit of territory in the bottom 1/3 of the tank, as do blue rams. If you had a tank 55g or so, you could easily do more rams.
You could do 1 blue ram and 1 bolivian ram if you wanted. That would give the fish adequate territory of their own.
Labrakitty, I dont know if youve mentioned this or not? Is this tank going to be planted?


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Yes, definitely, my tank is going to be heavily planted. So :
2 lace gouramis
1 bolvian ram
1 blue ram
6 corys
6 cardinal
6 rummy nose
So this would be ok?

Thanks!

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Yeah, that would probably work. Keep in mind though, German (blue) rams can be delicate. They should be acclimated in the same way as the rummynose tetras, or they may not survive the transition from store to home. Otherwise, they are very nice fish. I have one myself.



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Can you tell me how to acclimatize them properly? what tank mates does your ram have? How big is your tank? So this would be ok if I acclimatize them properly?
2 lace gouramis
1 bolvian ram
1 german ram
6 panda corys
6 cardinal tetras
6 rummy nose tetras
Keep in mind that I am quarantining all the fish I get.

Thanks for your help!

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I don't know hwat happened there?

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It is like someone (John Stone, I believe) explained on your rummynose thread. Drip acclimation (where water from your tank slowly drips from a bit of tubing into the bag w/ fish) is the best way to acclimate sensitive fish.

My tankmates are pretty similar to some of the fish in your tank: I've got the ram, 5 Corydoras septentrionalis, 6 Corydoras habrosus, 7 lemon tetras, 6 cardinal tetras, and one bristlenose catfish. They are all peaceful tankmates, and all like the same kind of water (soft and acidic) as the ram. My tank is a 29 gallon, by the way.



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Should I keep the tank a bit acidic?
Tahnks for replying so quickly!
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How long should you drip water in the bag with the fish in it for? Shoudl I do htis when adding to the quarantine tank and when I add it to the main tank?

Thankyou so much!

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To be honest, I wouldn't mess with the pH in that tank. All of the fish on your list will probably be fine in a tank with basic water. My South American fish tank (the one I described) has a pH of around 8.0. Altering the pH would do more harm than good. As long as it is stable, your fish should be okay.

The amount of time you acclimate your fish will depend on the species. For the German ram and rummies, give them at least, say, two hours. It sounds like a long time, but your fish will be better off that way. I'm not really 100% sure on this acclimating thing though, so you should check with another member first.

If the water in your quarantine tank and the main tank is the same, then they shouldn't need any more acclimation. Still though, it is best to double-check.



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thanks so much for the tips! I really appreciate it!

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I think I will go with:
2 lace gouramis
1 bolivian ram
1 german ram
6 panda corys
6 cardinal tetras
6 rummy-nose tetras

thanks for all your ideas and help. If you still have ant comments, feel free to post them.

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Sirbooks, what is the GH in your south american tank? What should the GH in my tank be? Thankyou for all your help!

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To be honest, I really don't know. A few months back, I made the mistake of buying test strips instead of a test kit. The strips aren't very accurate at all, so I can only guess.

Either way though, your fish will appreciate soft water, with a GH of about 12 (someone correct me if I'm wrong). I don't know if you should bother changing it though, like with the pH. Your fish should be happy in a moderate level GH, as long as it remains stable.

I really wish someone else would reply to this thread and back up or correct whatever I've said. Labrakitty, you really should get a second opinion.



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Leave the PH alone whatever it is. unless its really high like 8.0+ there is no reason to alter it. i have 7.6 PH in my south american tank. GH is a different story kinda. Egg layers ( like blue rams ) require softer water because the egg "shell" for lack of a better word, hardens to fast to be furtilised in harder water. ( lets say some egg layers im not sure about all ) this only matters if your trying to breed them and get good results. aside from that try to stick to fish within reason of your natural tap range. if you got 5.0ph coming out your tap and stable in a tank dont go get a fish they wants 8.5ph and think hes gona be happy. you can go outside the boundries just keep it within reason. GH/KH is mostly for the eggs, most juvie fish will acclimate to it for the most part as logn as you keep it within reason like i said.
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I have HARD water ehre in San Diego, and yet my cardinals have spawned on at least two separate occassions, producing viable fry. You should have no problem.
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I don't know what hardness my tap water is because I add something to harden it. They are like blue tiny crystals. In my Live Bearer tank the GH is normally about 12-13 but it use to be about8-9 all the time. I made it harder for the guppies. I think it will be 8-9. I am not intending to get more than 1 geramn ram and only 1 bolivian too. So then I will not have breeding. Will 8-9 dGH be ok?

Thanks so much!

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ya that would be fine, no reason to mess with water chemistry. some people do it because they have an itch to scratch. its really not a must. best to keep it as simple as possible so its not a chore later. much easier to feed the fish and water change once a week then it is to deal with this chemicle this parameter. leaves more time to sit back and enjoy it.
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Yeah. . .

tahnks very much!
So it is gonna be:
2 lace gouramis
1 bolivian ram
1 german ram
6 panda corys
6 cardinal tetras
6 rummy nose tetras
Ph: about 7.0
GH: about 8
temp:about 26

thankyou for all your help.

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I went to another aquarium today and the guy said I could have 2 pairs of cichlids and bump the corys number up to 8. He said the corys don't mind what type of cory and they will school together. Adn he also said the cichlids wo't annoy the corys and if htey do the corys wiht flair their armor at them.
So I am going with:
2 lace gouramis
2 bolivian rams
2 african butterfly cichlids
4 panda corydoras
4 julii corysdoras
6 cardinal tetras
6 rummy nose tetras
Thsi is my final choice!

Thankyou for all your wonderful help!

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Not again! I never trust what someone from a fish store says, until I get a second opinion that confirms it. They will often say anything they can just to sell fish, and that is probably what this guy is trying to do with you. Look at it this way: If you go with what he says, that is two more cichlids, and two more cories that he sells. Unfortunately for you (and the fish), what he said is wrong. At least, I disagree with the guy. Adding more cichlids would overstock your tank, and I stand firm in saying that cories will only shoal w/ different species if they are stressed or not kept in large enough groups. Four of each is not a large enough group. I still say that six panda cories would be best.

Also, I've never heard of a Corydoras catfish "flaring" its armor at another fish. Cories are non-confrontational (most kinds), and do not participate in fights or skirmishes. Plus, cories can't flare anything. Their armor and spines help protect them from attacks, but they can't fight back.



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He wasn't trying to sell me stuff, he didn't even stock Julii corys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So why would he tell me that?????????? I could tell he wasn't lying. My LFS are nice, they don't lie to help sell MORE FISH!!!!!!!! THEY TRY TO HELP ME!!!!!and anyway, that is your opinion, how do I know you are right??? This guy that I spoke to has bred nearly every type of fihs! He bred peppermint catfish! I think he has more experience than you. and he only sells top quality fish. He said it would be fine and not overstocked. If the cichlids pick at the corys they will flair their armor out and the cihclids won't go near them again. AND HE ALSO SAID THE FIHS DON'T NEED SPECIAL ACCLIMATIZING! It is acclimatization not acclimation.

It is my tank, I appreciate your help, but I am allowed to get other opinions too. Remember, I am in Australia and you are in America. Different countries have different opinions. You should respect other countries opinions not just say 'they are trying to sell you more'

Hope you take this seriously.

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I'm not at all trying to boss you around. Like you said, I'm just giving my opinion. Several other times in this thread, I have recommended that you get a second opinion from someone else, have I not? If I have doubts about whether what I've said is correct, I usually let people know. Either way, you absolutely don't know if I'm right or not. You don't know if I'm giving you correct info. I could be maliciously lying to you, so that your fish all die. You don't know me, so you can't tell if I'm lying or not. I'm glad that you realize that.

As for fish stores, what I said is (sadly) often true. Store workers are either trying to sell more fish, unknowlegeable, or really learned and nice. Unfortunately, the latter kinds of workers are hard to find. It's great if your local fish store(s) are super smart when it comes to fish. Really though, I've never been to a super good lfs. For example, a worker at the store which sold me my longnosed cories told me that they reach six inches. In reality, they only get to two, maybe two and a half. See?

I really don't think you should drag nationality into this, though. If you take away borders, flags, cultures, and religion, people all over the world are pretty much the same. I'd appreciate it if you didn't accuse me (pretty much) of not respecting the opinions of Australians.

I stand by what I said about the fish, though. I am just trying to help.



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AND HE ALSO SAID THE FIHS DON'T NEED SPECIAL ACCLIMATIZING!


bingo!! "special" acclimatzation as you were saying is the best way to acclimate fish. LImites the stress of changes in water parameters to almost o imo the only stress in when you have to scoop em up in a net. Espacially for sensative or expensive fish. You dont just want to chuck your 3000$$ arowana in your tank. The drip method is the safest and best way after qting to help fish with acclimating. And frankly i dont care if you "pet store employe" cories heck i dont care if he can breed anything it doesnt mean crap. A good employe would have told you about the drip methold and believe me there hard to come by. And he probably doesnt know as much as books.
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And i will garentee he hasnt breed even close to every type of fish. Ask him if hes breed stingray fw stingray! If he has then mabe im wrong highly doubt he has though
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He only breeds tropical fish! He doesn't sell marine fish, because he thinks it is cruel. DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY CATCH MARINE FISH? They go out on a boat and spray some chemical into the ocean with make s all the fihs and live rock and coral float a the top so they can catch them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW CRUEL IS THAT??????????
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First, marines can be tropical - "tropical" just means "warm water." Secondly, FW stingrays are just that - FW, freshwater.

Plus, cyanide is only one way marines are caught, and it's usually pretty localized (ie spray it right at the fish, or into crevices). It's not a great idea certainly but there's no need to boycott all SW fish because of it - there are fish certified as cyanide-free and of course caprive-bred fish. If he doesn't know about those I'd question his knowledge on other fishy subjects.

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While that method of catching marine fish is widespread, it isn't the only one used. There are an increasing number of collectors who use responsible and fish-safe methods such as regular old catching-fish-with-a-net. They are being trained and encouraged in this direction by knowlegeable fish experts. Not all marine fish are caught using the cruel method mentioned in the above post.



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He only breeds tropical fish! He doesn't sell marine fish, because he thinks it is cruel


First off there are tank breed clowns tangs etc etc. Second i said fw stingray. I didnt saw squat about marine stingray or marine anything so i dont know who brought that up. There are species off fw stingrays you know. Teacups etc etc. Very hard to breed and extremely expensive. ANd i agree tropical is a general term. i would use fw(freshwater) for future reference.


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My final decision is:
2 lace gouramis
2 bolivian ram
6 panda corys
6 cardinal tetras
6 rummy nose tetras

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And by the way, my tank is 28 UK gallons, 126 litres, about 34 US gallons.

Thanks for all your help.

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Remember, I am in Australia and you are in America. Different countries have different opinions. You should respect other countries opinions not just say 'they are trying to sell you more'
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What the heck does that have to do with anything:%), you should also respect Sirbooks opinion in that case.


What books has been saying i agree with. Everything from the cory schools to LFS employees.






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The more fish an employee sells, the better he/she looks to their boss, and the higher chance of them (the employee) getting a raise/promotion. At least, that's the way I see things. I've been told too many incorrect things by lfs workers, so I tend not to believe what they say. It isn't a good thing, but I really don't know what I can do about it.

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, but I'm just trying to get my message through.

EDIT: By the way, I wasn't being sarcastic or obnoxious. I know that nobody is trying to be malicious, too. I am just trying (rather firmly) to get across. At least I'm not blowing up in frustration and impatience.

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Getting off track here guys... Lets concentrate on helping and not bickering.

Labrakitty I think your last list is fine.

2 lace gouramis
2 bolivian ram
6 panda corys
6 cardinal tetras
6 rummy nose tetras

I wouldnt add anymore though as it would be pushing your tank limits a little too far. Try and get a group of the same species of cory if you can. They will be much happier.


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Sirbooks, no affence but the guy who told us this stuff was the owner and the boss of the shop.

Ok, I will go with:
2 lace gouramis
2 bolivian rams
6 panda corys
6 rummy nose tetras
6 cardinal tetras

Thanks for your help!

Labrakitty
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The assistant manager at my store knows nothing about fish. Literally anything he touches dies, so we don't let him do things with the tanks or follow his advice or anything.

I'm not saying that the boss of your store is like that, but I'm just saying that just because somebody has authority doesn't mean they know what they are doing...

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Whatever. I am going with:
2 lace gouramis
2 bolivian rams
6 panda corys
6 cardinal tetras
6 rummy nose tetras

Thanks for your help.

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ok, sounds good.

Now that you finally have made up your choice, let us never speak of this thread again.





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I have changed my mind and decided not to get bolivian rams. Could I have this instead?
2 lace gouramis
10 cardinal tetras
6 rummy nose tetras
6 panda corys
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that sounds fine but i think you will regret not getting the rams... they are nice, i have blue rams
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I am thinking of getting:
2 lace gouramis(I have already got htem in my quaranitne tnak.
6 panda corys
7 rummy nose tetras
9 cardinal tetras
1 cockatoo dwarf cichlid.
Would that be ok? I am h\gettting a new filter for the tnak it is probobly going to be a Eheim Canister filter 2213.
Would thsi be ok?
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I am getting:
2 lace gouramis
6 panda corys
7 rummy nose tetras
9 cardinal tetras
1 peppermint catfish
PH:6-7
GH:6GH
KH:2-3KH
temp: 25 degrees
Will this be ok?
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Ia ctually am getting:
2 lace gouramis
6 padna corys
6 rummy nose tetras
6 cardinal tetras
4 pristella tetras
1 peppermint catfish
I have an eheim 2213 classic and an aquaclear 200.
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Will labrakitty ever decide to end this post? Seems highly doubtful
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truth be told, i've been following this post for quite a while. 141 posts!! sweet lordy mama!

all i can say is: Sirbooks, you have the patience of a saint. to try to pursuade the unpersuadable with such sincerity and good will - bless you, books.


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peppermint catfish

whats that? (I searched FP but couldnt find it)
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