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Im not breeding I just wanted a small tank with some nice fish. I really dont like blue's though and I have a really good LFS they said that if it didnt work i could bring them back for no charge.

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They are the exact same fish, only a different strain. i.e Betta slendens come in veiltail, crowntail, double tail, etc...

They are normal blue rams, but of course with longer fins and well...palers color, but since you would like to have bolivians more, that is another reason to stray away form longfinned rams. Not saying they are unethically altered fish like hybrids or dyed fish, just a little funny looking and IMO an unneeded change to an already beautiful fish.

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I was wondering if they were bad because I cant seem to find any info on them, I think I will stay with my Bolivian.

Last edited by bcwcat22 at 05-Aug-2005 19:31

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Incidently, my lfs has just stocked "longfinned" rams as well(in fact I just got home from there). IMHO...they are ugly, their fins look too big for them and they just don't compare to the natural finnage of the normal Blue ram. I also, wouldn't call them impossible to get, as my lfs says they stock them frequently. longfinned Bolivian rams, however, do not exist i beleive. Have never heard of nor seen a longfinned Bolivian and I think the lfs is trying to dupe you into an odd strain of the Blue ram.

I say stick with the normal rams, unless you have your heart set on the longfinned rams, the normal will please you more with a darker color and won't seem too big (I also noticed the longfinned rams were quite pale compared to the normal rams at the lfs).

Last edited by Tetra Fan at 05-Aug-2005 17:28

I got lucky I was talking to the manager and he took me to the back room he said they wouldnt be availible for a few more days so im cycling my tank now.

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hmmm...I MIGHT have seen them at one point, but have never heard them called longfin rams.

It looks like a bolivian with longfins. The LFS said they are almost impossible to get.
They came as Longfin ram and Longfin Blue ram

It looks almost like an angel but with a ram like head and dorsal fin.

Last edited by bcwcat22 at 05-Aug-2005 12:54

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Longfin ram?

I have never heard of it. What does it look like?

Are you sure it isn't just another name for the bolivian or blue rams?

What about a longfin ram instead of a bolivian??
I only ask because my LFS just got a bunch of realy nice ones.

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Blue Rams are solitary fish if they want to be. They are perfectly fine with only one of them to a tank. Same goes for Bolivians. Usually, if there are more than one of them of the same gender (males particularly) may fight a lot in a tank that small.

I wouldn't worry about rams in a 12 gallon. Depending on the species, they're only 2-3 inches each. Blues are probably your best choice though. And I would rather overstock a little with 2 rams than have 1 loney ram. You can compensate slight overstocking wiht water changes. But a loney fish will die or hide away no matter what.

I have a 12g tank with sand bottom I am going to put a Bolivian Ram in with an otto. I want to put some bloodfin tetras but I dont know if they will be compatible or if they will fit.


Last edited by bcwcat22 at 19-Jul-2005 21:30

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Blue Rams may be kept in a 10 gallon for breeding.

Bolivians, however need more space, they don't get too much larger, but just big enough to need more than a 10. Why not go for a pair of Blue Rams in your 12? I don't recommend keeping tetras or any school of small fish with the pair as it stresses them out if they plan on breeding (IF).

Or you could go with a single Blue Ram and a school of Cardinal Tetras

Last edited by Nameless at 01-Aug-2005 02:48

Why not rams in a 12? I've often heard to keep a pair or trio in a 10g for breeding. Which is what I was planning to do with mine but I don't have the space to setup even a small tank right now.

thanks for the help


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I agree in that cherry barbs would be a good choice for a tank that size. I wouldn't add many fish at all.

I keep pristellas, cories, a bristelnose pleco, and a small angel with my bolivian ram. Pristellas are fairly good dither fish but need to be kept in a schools, and don't like the light much at all. If you do go with pristellas, you could mix a couple of gold pristellas in with the regulars.

However, a couple of cherry barbs might be a good choice for your tank. Just a thought. good luck.

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I personally dont think a ram of any sort belongs in a 12g tank. Cherry barbs would be a nice splash of colour. Pristella tetras are a little smaller than the bloodfin tetras and will possibly be happier in a tank that size.

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I would go for a school of small Tetra's & a Ram.
I would leave the Otto out.


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I agree with sham, a school of 6 small tetras should be fine with the ram.

I am curious about your idea of adding an Otto. Here is a quick quote from Calilasseia’s excellent article about Ottos:

Likes:

Well-planted aquaria with natural plants predominating;
Plenty of shady hiding places, preferably formed using pieces of bogwood;
Algae already present in the aquarium somewhere;
Regular partial water changes (NOTE : Otocinclus like 'new' water being given to them on a regular basis)
Good oxygenation levels.

Dislikes:

Bare aquaria (they die off like flies);
No algae present (again, contributes greatly to Otocinclus deaths);
Old water (unless it happens to be very well filtered);
Stagnant water (again, they die off like flies);
Poor oxygenation levels (you guessed it, more deaths).

And here is [link=A Link]http://www.fishprofiles.com/articles/freshwater/oto.asp" style="COLOR: #ff6633[/link] to the entire article.

Hope this helps,

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