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I don't suggest Livebearers & Snails. I've heared bad things, that Livebearers will kill the Snails.

These fish will be too much for a 46 gal. tank:-
1x African Butterfly Fish
3x Koi Veil-Tail Angels (Dime or quarter-sized)
4x Bolvarian Rams (Im pretty sure thats what they are)
3x Clown Loaches (Small)



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Super! Would that make me over or understocked? Im getting them as small as I can find them and will upgrade later on.... What about a dwarf puffer?

Inky

Yes, this setup will be fine:-

3x Small Koi or Black Veil-Tailed Angels
4x Bolvarian Rams or a school of a non-nippy Tetra
3x Clown Loaches


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I've never had any problems with livebearers (guppies) in the same tank as snails; I've had Brown Ramshorns, and Malasian Trumpet snails (nothing's gonna mess with the MTS). The guppies used to pick away at the Ramshorns that I crushed against the glass, but I've never seen them going after any before. The MTS has and operculum (opening cover, or 'cap'), and a VERY hard shell; I'm not sure that a Puffer could get throught their shells.

Be careful with Blue Gouramis as I had a trio that was quite aggressive towards each other.

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I think it'd be ok. just keep an eye on the angels and make sure they aren't touching top and bottom when they grow up, cause that'd be a bad thing

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Mabey I should eliminate the butterfly , They do require alot of care in the long run. Plus if my angels were to multiply it would be hectic....

Okay, so this would be good?

3x Small Koi or Black Veil-Tailed Angels
4x Bolvarian Rams or a school of a non-nippy tetra/barb
3x Clown Loaches

Would that be good?

Inky

Angels are fast growers & CL's are slow growers, but i think it's better reduce the Angels or eliminate the African Butterfly Fish.


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Angels grow fast, they will be pushing the limits of your tank well before the other fish IMO.

Maybe they would be worth reconsidering if the upgrade will be more than 12 months away?

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What modifications would you suggest?

I will probubly upgrade when the fish get too large...

Inky

I belive that clown loaches would add some color to the bottom of my tank, however I have heard mixed reviews about this. I have read through about 6 different books at work that all gave me the same info: 12 in+ in the wild, 10 in captivity. I think a trio would look nice in my tank and considering thier increadible life span, by the time they get too big it will be time for me to get a bigger apartment that will allow me to house a bigger tank. I don't think they get over 40" because very few captive fish do. This would be my stock for the tank:

1 Butterfly fish
1 Angelfish
5 Mollys + Fry
3 Clown loaches

Does anyone have a problum with this??? Is there something Im missing? Am I understocked????

Inky

Okay. This is what I am thinking:

1x African Butterfly Fish
3x Koi Veil-Tail Angels (Dime or quarter-sized)
4x Bolvarian Rams (Im pretty sure thats what they are)
3x Clown Loaches (Small)


Are there any major problums with this? The tank will be heavily planted with live and plastic plants, contains three caves (1 Large and 2 Medium-sized) and I will probubly add another rock for them to hide in/around.

If my angels spawn and get aggressive there should be enough space for the other fish to hide, and if it becomes a problum, I can always put some of the fish in a temperary home until the angels calm down right? Does this sound like a plan?


Somebody please let me know!!!

Inky

Sorry about the extra post... Im still trying to plan my tank carefully...

As for the mollys: I have decided not to put them in there for fear of the fry. I will be getting them a new 10g where they wil be perfectly happy with thier tankmates: snails!

Anyway, This is what I am definitly adding:

3x (very small, very yong) clown loaches
1x dimesized or quarter-sized angelfish
1x African Butterfly fish.

These are the others I am considering adding :
Blue Gurmies or Dwarf Gurmies, Tigar Barbs, a school of some thing pretty (Tetras or Barbs) or a small Jelly bean parrot fish.


Let me know what you think! I can really use the info!

Inky

I have some good news! I May be getting an additional 10 gal that the Mollys would be very happy in. I currently have three + fry, so they will be happy with a few corys. This is what I am replacing them with:

1 Jellybean Parrot and an extra angel
or an extra angel and 3 dwarf gormis.



If there are any other combos that might look good with the angel, the butterfly, and the three clowns let me know

Inky

I would go for it Inkling. The CL's will add colour & are slow growers. The Angelfish will take care of the Molly fry & you wouldn't be overstocked with Molly's.


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Clowns in captivity grow depending on how they are kept. If they are in a small tank under 100Lt and poorly loked after they would not grow much at all. Yet again if those same fish were in a huge 1000++Lt and given every thing close to their natural habitat they could reach their maximum size.

With you choice I would be concerned about the fry particularly with the Angel.

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thats a bit of an unusual stocking selection

Have you considered yoyo loaches? not quite as colourful, but probably less likely to outgrow your tank before you are ready for it.


If you are going to go this way, i'd choose the smallest loaches you can get, and be prepared to either rehome them or move house when they require it (moving house for your fishies thats pretty cool ) they do grow slowly, but they are quite zippy, so keep in mind that even at a smaller size than what could be considered the maximum for that tank, energy-wise they could need more space. Thankfully they get more sedintary in their old age



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"I don't think they get over 40" because very few captive fish do."

They definately dont get that big

Edit: Im really glad you're taking their future size into consideration. You're off to a great start.

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Way to go Ink ! Congratulations on getting proper info and coming to the right conclusions !

I only have one tip for you. I would only get 4 Life bearers. 1 male + 3 females. As for the fry to come, don't expect to many survivers. Your fish will probably eat most of them. If you suspect that one of your females is prego, put a sponge over the intake of the filter and try to get up bright and early in the morning. Prepare yourself to rescue the ones, if any, that are still alive and set them in a small tank until they grow a bit. Don't forget the sponge in the small tank as well... otherwise, the fry will get sucked in the filter. Mind you, I found one in a filter once and it was still alive !!! AMAZING !

Cheers and have fun with your new tank !

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