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you will here this a lot take the clown loaches back the need to be in groups they need to have a 100 gallon at the least to make them happy and come out more the apple snails get big like the size of a base ball. if you take the clown loaches back you could get 4 more dimond tetras, a school of 6 cories like panda cories they are small. hope you you take thoes clowns back so they could can get the right requrments.

Last edited by riri1 at 10-Sep-2005 15:52

The Clown Loaches will grow slowly & i would keep them a bit more. The Tetras need to stay in schools & so i'll add some more & make them 8. You can add 6 Corydoras, so you'll have some bottom feeders.



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oh, i understand that. and someone should be told if a tank is overstocked... once. i've seen post plagued with just responses of people saying to get a new tank, take back fish, etc... once one person says it, that's enough. a lot of the time, the question actually asked remains unanswered because people seem closeminded to help anyone whose tank is even slightly overstocked.

i know the results of overstocking a tank, but people don't need to be reminded in every single response they get.

I agree with what's been said about the clowns but they pose another problem. It may be days, weeks, or months but eventually clown loaches will kill applesnails. They are snail eaters and have dug holes through the shells of even very large applesnails. At the very least they will harass the snails nipping off parts of their body until they are slowly eaten alive. If your snails are traveling around with their shells close to the glass and you can't see their tentacles waving out in the open then the fish are already at work eating them.
Tetras prefer a group of 6 or more of the same species so at least 2 more would be good. The problem is tiger barbs are very nippy and anything with somewhat long fins from some species of tetras to gouramis is likely to get it's fins eaten off eventually.

i_spaz_out people are told to return their fish or get a much bigger tank because these fish need that size tank. Fish kept in too small of tank will stunt. Stunting means their outsides will stop growing but their insides won't. Eventually the fish will succumb to the stress and either die of unknown causes or come down with another illness and die far earlier than their natural lifespan. If somehow they don't catch any illness their insides will eventually split through their skin. There is no excuse to keep a fish in a tank that is too small. If you can't afford the bigger tank or don't have the space then you can't keep the fish and should return them. It should be considered animal abuse to keep a fish in too small of tank.

no new fish, b/c of the clowns, like every1 probably said, they get very large. if u can move them, then maybe some other barbs. such as golden.

you don't need to get rid of the clown loaches yet, because they do grow slowly. you can always put them up for adoption at a local pet store... a lot of people could be looking for a full grown clown loach anyways. not to be rude or mean, but i hate it when people are constantly telling people that their tank is overcrowded or they need to get rid of their fish or get a tank that is twice the size of the one they have... not everyone has that kind of money or room.

i have a krib in with my tiger barbs, and she does really well. some territorial (yet not overly agressive) cichlids would probably do well. there's a ton that you could try.

i've also got a couple julie cories. i find that cory cats do well with most fish... their spines protect them, so they're like little tanks.

you could try some other types of barbs, like golden, cherry, rosey, etc.

maybe a school of neon dwarf rainbows... i'm not sure how they'd go with the tiger barbs tho... it's a toss up, because they may get picked on, but they're REALLY fast, so if they do, i'm sure they'd get away... just keep'm in a school.

also, maybe get a couple more tiger barbs... the more, the better... those little jerks (i can call them jerks because i have them... and love them... but quite frankly... they're little jerks... that's probably why i like them so much). you could also try the different variations of tiger barbs... i've got 3 regulars, 3 greens and an albino...

you're going to want a top-fish too... maybe a killifish like a golden panchax (they can be happy by themselves, as a single). i'm not sure about a gourami... they're kinda slowmoving, so the barbs might pick on them... but if they get scared of them enough, like by a paradise or an opaline... they might be ok.

the list goes on, but just read up on the fish, first.... you don't wanna get something and have it kill or be killed immediately...

also, don't add too many at once, or you'll get an ammonia spike.

I was gonna say the same thing about the clowns...do yourself a favor and either take them back before you get terribly attached, or do make plans to get a larger tank in the near future (next year or so?) and definately go larger than a 100...my 4 enjoy being with each other, I had only 1 in my 29 as a temporary fix to get rid of snails, but he was awfully lonely and kept trying to school with the corries in the tank with him...put back in the 125 with the other 3 he has begun to grow quite rapidly...ok he won't be 6 inches this month, but i'd say in the past month he's grown 1/4 of an inch or maybe 1/3?

If you do take them back, get yourself some corries and with a 45 gallon you could go with at least a dozen...they are quite fun and hilarious to have as well

Best of luck, heidi

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If the Clowns are small you can keep them for quite some time in a 45. They grow slow. I would get a few more if you intend to keep them and get a bigger tank later.


You've got the clowns for the bottom, Barbs and Tetras for the middle. How about something on top? Though the Barbs will limit what you can get because they're a bit nippy.

Maybe a couple Gouramis. Not dwarf so they can hold their own with the Barbs.

My personal prefference runs to Cichlids though. I'd put a Gold Severum in there.

Mike

Hey there.

I currently have a 45 US Gallon community tank with the following fish....

6 Tiger Barbs
4 Diamond Tetras
2 Clown Loach
2 Apple Snails

All the fish get on well, and currently offer a good variety in colour and behaviour.

I would be interested in hearing all your suggestions that you all have, to what fish would go well in my current tank.

Thanks in advnace for your replies.

Craig

Clowns- I would get 1 more when and if you can put them in a 125. They do grow slowly, but I would only keep them if you will buy the bigger tank

Apple snails- get too big.

I would also get some more of the tetras and corys.



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Thanks for all the replies.

I know that clown loaches get large, theyre currently only a few inches long each and i will be looking to atleast double the tank size next year when i move, so 'size of tank' etc etc isnt an issue for me as far as im concerned.

ive got a few ideas, i think ill add a few more barbs.

I'd say a few more barbs, and add atleast one more clown so you get to see them often. They do love a lot of room to school

I'm gonna go the other route. I say loose the barbs. I PERSONALLY think barbs are ugly and nippy. Wait to you see a full grown tiger barb(UGLY). I say get 2 more CL,s. I know your tank is too small for permanent housing, but they r very slow growers no matter what size tank they are in. I,d get more tetras and the CL's and lose the TB's. Prolly got room for a BN pleco also for algea. My 5 CL's are in a 125 now , but they are not growing faster than when they were in the 55. If your Clowns are 2 inches now, don't count the months until they are 4-5"(which you should move to a larger tank), otherwise you WILL run out of fingers and toes, THAT SLOW. We all love fish on this site, otherwise we would not be here, but take the info in and learn on your own. BTW 4-5" CL's are very desireable in the trade if you donot upgrade your tank size. In the end donot treat your fish wrong( I.E. I donot put my 95 pound Doberman in a CAGE). Research and common sence goes a VERY long way. And a group of Clowns are very relaxing, and IMO thats what the hobby is about.

If your clowns are small, be sure to add one more. By small I mean 2 inches long or less. Maybe even three, depending on whether or not your tank is a long or a tall.

You could feasibly add 6 Rasbora Harlequins or 6 Serpae Tetras. Serpae Tetras add some nice color (red).

Good luck

BTW, I agree with STallion about large Barbs being ugly. I have that same thought. Even though they would go great with my Clown Loaches, thank God I have angelfish to preclude them ]]

Id have to say we're going to have to agree, to disagree on the Barbs, theyre most definately staying. One of my fave fish I have, my convicts being my fave-dont worry, yes theyre obviously on a different tank!

Im undecided at the moment, which means if I make a final decision now, I may regret what I actually do. My gf keeps nagging me to get a load of neons, but we'll see.

As far as the Serpae Tetra goes, not my fave, remind me of a fancy goldfish...sorry serpae tetra fans!

Ill keep you updated.

Neons - a bit high maintenance aren't they? Do they not require very low Ph? No aggressive tankmates? Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have some. But with a tankful of Angels, they wouldn't stand a chance