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well my fry from other batches have never lasted long and they end up all dying young i have only 2 fry from my like 3-4 batches from fish and they are my platy and guppy(which is a 3rd generation survivor).

i know you may not have been rude but it did sound that way. no offense.

i guess the angelfish are fine then and will not move but i do want to get a little like 5-12 gallon tank to have on my dresser or something and have like guppies or platies in. like a whole entire family of them. survival of the fittest.

but do you have any other suggestions for any other fish that could go in a 5 gallon, possibly 12 that would be fun to have. and could live on their own as a possibility with another clown pleco.

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I cant see them. I highly reccomend buying a the tank and hood separate. All Glass Aquarium is a good brand. Kits can be way over-priced for their size.

As for gouramis, Dwarves, honeys, and sparking are good small species. Beware male dwarves have the same temperment as male bettas.

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which aquarium would be easier to maintain and look better and well just easier.

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the taller one would cut down on amount of fish right, especially if i were doing bettas. but it is more compact.

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what about gouramis???

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If theyre being kept in the store, id look for the calmest of the group. Also you can check Aquabid.com and ebay for cheap spawn sisters.

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my brother has had a problem with a betta jumping in the past. he jumped out and went behind the desk and died. so i have experience with that situation.

would it help if you bought female bettas from the same tank at the store that were not being psycho. or would they reclaim territory etc when they are put into the new tank???

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As has been said the 5 gallon is really small They make it really hard to keep any decent water parameters in, and usually cost as much as a 10 gallon, so my advice is to forget the 5 gallon and at least go with a 10 gallon

Now as for adding bettas to the tank, keep this in mind...you can only put 1 male betta in a tank, and it is usually the only fish that can be in the tank, unless you set up a system of dividers...Most male bettas are a bit territorial side, as in: Oh look there is someone else in my tank, I better kill it, there much better now I'm all alone again...

This isn't always true, some male bettas get along well with others, and there are always exceptions...If you get the 10 gallon then there is the option of being able to get 3-4 female bettas to put in it, just be sure that they have plenty of room to hide incase you end up with one that is a bit on the psychotic stage who wants to fight everyone else involved...this will give the other girls a place to hide and not get as injured, while you are trying to get her out to another tank...

Hopefully this helps...when you do go with the 10 gallon tank, you can always buy or create your own divider and then keep 2 males, 1 on each side, in this tank, or make it smaller on one side, 1 male, and 2 females...if you do either of these ideas then be sure the divider goes up to the hood, and don't fill the tank all the way up, but leave about 3-4 inches from the top, so noone decides to jump the divider

Good luck, heidi

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20 gallons is different from a 20 gallon high tank. The 20 gallon is longer.

(Im assuming your referring to the 5 gal) Bettas would work, one male or a 2 females. However, females can be aggressive so it really depends on their personas. Im not experienced with having mulitple females, so if you decide that route...check with the Advanced Betta Care forum first. If you want tank mates an applesnail or some african dwarf frogs are good choices.

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Last edited by katieb at 01-Jul-2005 21:37

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just out of curiosity but what does it mean by kudos on the side under name and how do they evaluate aquarank???

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well my tank is 20 gallons and you said that they need a 20 gallon high tank so they are fine, arent they?

what about female/male bettas??? can you do like 1 male with 2 females, or somethink like that???

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I have a 5 gallon and they really arent that big. I wouldnt reccomend a clown in anything less then a 10. And there isnt any fish that would fit in a 5 gal if you had 12 of them. There are however, species of shrimp that are small and pretty nice looking that could go in a five in fairly large numbers.

If you go with a 10-12 gallon on your dresser, id do a trio of platys or guppies. Both species would make the tank pretty cramped, especially if you want some of the fry to grow up there too.

I really hope your angels get a good sized tank, they are absolutely fuul grown.

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if i were to get a 5 gallon tank and move my angelfish to it, would it be alright?
what the steps be to do this?
also would a betta do ok with the fish i currently have in my tank(listed below)?
please help me, i am just curious to know.

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I wasnt being rude, I apologize if it sounded that way.

Im not sure how long it takes an angel to reach full size, however a fish put in a tank too small will stunt(Insides continue to grow, while the skeleton does not) and die young. Thats why it is reccomended that one puts a fish into a tank that it can live in when it is full grown, so as not to risk stunting. Also, if you end up having a pair, you will want to take into account the possibility of fry.

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you didnt have to be so rude.

maybe what they meant by small is young.

how long does it take for an angelfish to reach full length/height???

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"the LFS said that the 2 angelfish would be fine in my tank and they are some different type that doesnt get big. maybe bred to be smaller??? they are only up to 1.5 to 1 in long now. i do not think they will get much bigger."

There are only 2 angelfish species that are usually seen on the market: P.Scalare and P.Altum. Your 2 angels are P.Scalare and will get 10 inches tall and 6 inches long...there is no dwarf species.

The angels need at least a 20 gallon High tank, and the other fish need a tank somewhere in the 20-30 gallon range.



Last edited by katieb at 01-Jul-2005 20:48

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i have a 20 gallon tank.

well i know that i need a school for the cory and the cardinal tetra but i am in the process of figuring out what i want. i am kinda waiting for the cardinal to die so i can get different fish. i dont want to give him away or flush him, it would be to cruel.

the clown pleco only gets to 3-5 inches so he is fine.

the LFS said that the 2 angelfish would be fine in my tank and they are some different type that doesnt get big. maybe bred to be smaller??? they are only up to 1.5 to 1 in long now. i do not think they will get much bigger.

i was thinking of getting some harlequins and like 2 more bandit cories.

any other suggestions???

maybe tanks like these:

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i prefer #3 model over #2.


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An Angel need a 20 gal. high tank.

These fish need to stay in schools of at least 6, Bandit Corydoras &amp; Cardinal Tetra's. So all those fish need a 29 gal. tank as a minimum.


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First what size of tank are these fish in?

That said, each betta is totally different, I have one male who is currently in a tank with a Fancy guppy, and Female Guppy Fry (don't ask ok) and he hasn't eaten the fry, and pretty much acts like the caregiver of the tank with the neons, glolights, harlies, corries, clown loaches, cory fry, bn, and whatever else is in therehe even enjoyed having Psycho my female betta in there So please keep in mind each betta is totally different, and of course that is a 125 gallon tank so he has plenty of room for his own

Now, as has been said, no an Angel does not belong in a 5 gallon, unless it is a fry, and that would only be temperary at best...

As for the rest of your fish, depending on the size of the tank, here are my thoughts



2 small marble blushing angelfish--as said needs at least a 20 high or larger is better
1 bandit corydora--desperately needs some friends, even if they aren't metaes to go with him/her...she needs a nice school of 5 others...all similar in size though
1 clown plecostomus--no advice I don't know clown plecos,
1 platy--you should be ok
1 guppy--again you should be ok
1 cardinal tetra--needs to be in a school of 6 or more...and really the more the better


those are just my suggestions, use them or ignore them...your choice of course, heidi

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2 small marble blushing angelfish
1 bandit corydora
1 clown plecostomus
1 platy
1 guppy
1 cardinal tetra


Your cories and tetras need schools of 6. What size is the tank?

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A 5 gal is too small for an Angel. You need a 20 high minimum because Angels get pretty big and need room to swim.

Have fun, Mike