FishProfiles.com Message Forums

Yes, frogs come to the top to breathe air regularly.
They sometimes float around on top of the water for hours.
Dont expect a ADF to stay at the bottom.


Come Play Yahtzee With Me!
http://games.atari.com
Http://www.myleague.com/yahtgames

Ah! I see.

Inky

On the food issue, I just purchased 4 ADfs from a local Petc* for my little brother. They were starving to death, I could almost see through one. It took them about half an hour to find the frozen bloodworms I put in there, and in many cases, they sat on the worms before they knew it was food. There were also quite a few incidents of frogs bashing their heads into the filter of the glass. So, you might have not had any trouble feeding your frogs but, as I tell my brother, our frogs would have been extinct in the wild within an hour. So, I guess it depends on what your frogs regard as food.

I keep ADF's with Blue Gourami's and Rainbow Fish. They are nice and chubby I highly doubt they are having issues finding food. Personally I think they make a great addition to a peacefully community tank. granted larger fish might make a snack of them. When I first started keeping fish I fell in love with a Blue Crayfish and the LFS said they aren't aggressive (can you believe that!). Within minutes of being put into my tank it had delimbed an ADF . He got his own tank after that one.

Oh. Okay... to bad. It would have looked really cool! ^_^

Inky

Honestly, I wouldnt keep a newt with fish.
Likely it is either a paddle tail newt or
fire belly newt. Both of these newts produce
a toxin, which when they are stressed out will
be released in the water and can kill your fish.


Come Play Yahtzee With Me!
http://games.atari.com
Http://www.myleague.com/yahtgames

********NEWS*************

After reading your other posts and double checking my fishy handbooks, I went over to my offending tank. I was watching my mollys and noticed something of intrest. A little stiker on the side saying US 15 GAL. My dad, who gave me this tank rather recently told me it was a 10 g, and by all means it looks it. I double checked by comparing my measurements to my 10g (the one I purchased) and it is indeed bigger! Woohooo!

I may or may not upgrade them or move the mollys to the 46g... Im gonna see how my breeder tank turns out. Anyway, in a 10g:

3x Plattys
Snails? (Breeding)
And perhaps the newt?

in the 15g:
3x Mollys
2x Zebras
(the fish used to be in what is now my breeder tank, but I moved them because there was a lack of gravel and plants, ect)

Inky

Oh... I have several tanks... The mollys are only temperaryily in there. They will be going in my other 10 gal (the breeding tank) in a few weeks. They are still a little on the small side, along with my plattys so they will be alright for awhile yet.

My tanks:

10 gal #1
2x Mollys
3x Plattys
2x Zebras (I keep mine in a shoal, they dont seem to get along well with other danios, they keep killing um off, even when they are the only ones in the tank)

10 gal #2
~empty~
Currently has betta breeding setup.

3 smaller tanks (not sure if they are one or 2 gal, various sizes)
2 contain bettas, one pared with an apple snail

46 gal
Almost ready to be stocked, but the livebearers would not go well in here.


The breeding tank will contain the mollys after the bettas are done with it. ^_^


PS My first 10 gal has been around for some time. I've only had the mollys for a few months and I know they will get big and will need there space.

Inky

yep dj is right. The 10g is totally stocked.
Really Mollies grow too big for a 10g tank.
If you wanted a Betta I would get rid of the mollies.

Dj - I know many people on here have ADF's with
many fish like Angels and others.
I wouldnt recommend keeping them with fish that could eat them, or aggressive fish like african cichlids (kribs included). But most peaceful community fish should be ok with them. I have often heard ADFs recommended for betta tanks, though personally havent kept a betta alone with any ADFs. My betta was in my 75g tank, and theres plenty of space for a betta and frog to totally avoid each other. Dont know about smaller tanks though.

Also, your frogs probably were out of shape DJ. I have noticed mine have grown much much stronger over the years. Should see their little muscular legs! Arnold SchwarzenFroggy even!


Come Play Yahtzee With Me!
http://games.atari.com
Http://www.myleague.com/yahtgames

Umm, well the 10 seems pretty stocked already. Danios are also actice and like friends. I would add some more danios and call 10 gallon #1 set up. But...you could put amphibians in with the platies, just not the bettas.

Thats true.... How do you think a Male betta would react to a newt? I don't think I should put one in my breeding tank?

I also have a 10g that contains:
2x mollys
2x danios
3x plattys

Im actually going to add a molly (My ratio is 1M:1F and thats really bad) and soon move the plattys to the other 10 gal, once my bettas are done with it that is... would a newt or frog be okay in either of those spaces? Would one be happy in a large Kritter Keeper?

^_^ I'd try crabs again but Ive had a funny/creepy experience with it... He kept escaping (somehow) and hiding in my toilet (three rooms away) I wouldn't wan tthat to happen again... I want something thats going to stay in the tank!

Inky

Yeah, I lied about the size a bit. Mine were 2".
Overall, it's just very hard to mix amphibians and fish. In fact, the only way is to that is to pick fish with the amphibians as the main focus. IE. have white clouds in with a firebelly newt because newt like colder tanks. Or have female siamese fishting fish with ADFs because they both like shallow tanks (maybe yours did well in an 18" tall tank, but I guess mine were out of shape )

This is especially hard when you are mixing fish that are very different as well. IE. angelfish, clown loaches, and butterfly fish. Sneaky might have tried angelfish with ADFs but that would be the only way to find out as they would come nowhare near each other in nature. The same goes with clown loaches. Coming from the other side of the world, there is no way for us to know how a loach will respond to a frog unless through trial and error.

Im starting a 46gal community tank (See my post in General Freshwater). I am definitly adding:
3x Clown Loaches
1x Butterfly Fish
1x Angelfish.

My question is this: Could I add a freashwater newt (lives underwater, grows to about 3" or some albino frogs, or even one of those little fiddle crab-thingies that live underwater?

Inky

Yeah... I agree, but the ABF stays near the top, I don't think the froggie would be swimming up there... I thought they were bottom dwellers...

Inky

Dj - my frogs are in a 75g tank thats 18 inches tall.
They have zero trouble getting to the top.
Remember, in the wild these frogs come from lakes with depths into the 25 foot range or more.
They live shallower, but are still found at depths of up to 10 feet. I doubt a foot of depth will give them trouble.

Angelfish dont bother the frogs. They show absolutely no interest whatsoever. I would be incredibly surprised if an angelfish could actually eat a dwarf frog. Angelfishes mouths just simply arent that large.

There are several species of dwarf frog, ranging from 1.5 inches to 2.5 inches.
If yours are smaller than 1.5 inch they are either very young or runts.
In my experience, it takes about 3-4 years possibly longer for these frogs to grow to maturity.

I would worry about the ABF though- its mouth is huge. It would probably be able to snack a frog down super quick.


Come Play Yahtzee With Me!
http://games.atari.com
Http://www.myleague.com/yahtgames

3x Clown Loaches
They get like a foot each, so you really should not have them in a 46 gallon anyway

1x Butterfly Fish
African dwarf frogs breath air and thus need to go to the surface quite frequently. African butterfly fish are hunters that live on the top of the tank. I'd be afraid of them attacking the surfacing frogs. Also, because they need to go up for air very often, you should have a shallow tank. I've seen difficulty in my frogs if the tank is more than a foot high. I don't think a 46 gallon is a good idea.

1x Angelfish
Being a chichlid, I'd expect them to make mincemeat of the frogs. ADFs are only about 1" long, sluggish, and have horribly sight.

Inkling, with your stocking, and only a few bottom feeders,
I think African Dwarf frogs would be your best bet.
I still dont know where people come up with this "they are good at finding food", as my 5 frogs are all happy, healthy, and well fed, and they have to compete with at least 15 bottom feeders. 3 clown loaches wont be much competition at all.
Remember that an african clawed frog may see y our angelfishes fins as food. They snap at anything that moves, and grow to 6-10 inches, and could easily devastate, or even tear off an adult angels fin.
I wouldnt keep them in a tank with anything other than large cichlids.


Come Play Yahtzee With Me!
http://games.atari.com
Http://www.myleague.com/yahtgames

The newts I saw were aquatic and in a 20 gal display tank with neons... Mabey they wern't newts, it wouldn't be the first time I was misinformed at a petstore. Mabey they were salamanders or something? All I know is it looked like a newt, and was "Great in a community tank", but i always try to varify that. (WalMart says that DragonFish are great in 20 Gal w/ guppies and Mollys)

Does anyone know whast this little aquatic lizard could be?

Since my fish may be getting large, perhaps clawed frogs would be a good addition....

Inky

The aquatic dwarf frogs might work. They never leave the water. The only problems with these guys in a community tank are that they aren't good at finding food so the fish can make off with it all before they get their share and they are very peaceful. Sometimes they can get picked on even by small fish. Someone even mentioned having a small frog get attacked by a large ghost shrimp once. There is also another species of frog that is larger and a bit less peaceful to other fish. Usually sold as clawed frogs instead of dwarf frogs they will eat fish if they can manage to catch them.
Newts don't sound like a good idea. Don't they need to leave the water? I've never seen them in a fully aquatic setup only in half land setups.

You could keep african dwarf frogs in that set up.
I keep 5 of them in my 75g community tank with an angel and some loaches.
They are great little critters.


Come Play Yahtzee With Me!
http://games.atari.com
Http://www.myleague.com/yahtgames