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But why give it a suffcient home when its habitat has millions of gallons of water in it? It will feel cramped remember? Id suggest a few guppies, but they need at least 300 gallons

Justin, if all that is left of your shaky arguement is "Go look it up"...than i suggest you just admit everything youve said so far was illogical.


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Saying: "75 gallons is enough for 1 catfish"

This is fine, some may disagree, but its you're opinion

Saying: "300 gallons will cramp a 2 inch guppy, but 75 gallons will not cramp a 14 inch catfish"

Is completely silly.

Last edited by katieb at 05-Jul-2005 21:07

I'll do graffiti,
If you sing to me in French.

Okay, this is my last post in this thread, and I'm going to try and make it useful;

Planet catfish profiles are structured so that one can EXPECT their fish to reach the posted size IN THE HOME AQUARIA/POND. These generally, therefore, do NOT correspond to wild sizes, or rather, not always.

The walking catfish we speaketh of reaches 14.4", or it is expected to, at least.

This is SL, meaning that the measurement is taken from the tip of the snout to the cadual peduncle, effectively excluding the cadual fin.

In a 14.4" clarias, the TL (full) can be expected to be around 18", as the tail will be a good three inches in length.

Combine that with a huge, bulky body, and your fish will be hard pressed to navigate through a 75 gallon tank with any decor whatsoever (and it is necessary, as these fish are diurnally secretive). Furthermore, they are loosely social fish, and enjoy the company of others of their species, despite however rude they may be towards other fish.

Thus, end post, and gtfo, troll.

Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 06-Jul-2005 13:17

Justin,

Do you know what an inference is?

You said that guppies live in millions of gallons of water and that a move from millions of gallons to 300gal, would make them feel cramped, because of the drastic drop in gallonage. Therefor your implying that guppies need much much more than 300gal of water to avoid that cramped feeling.

Then you went on to say that the 75 gallon would be sufficient for this huge catfish (whose habitat also has millions of gallons of water).

Thats why this thread turned out the way it did, you seem to have a problem with communicating.



I'll do graffiti,
If you sing to me in French.

"you said: a guppy needs a million gallons of water"

WOW where you are getting this from please let me know, I never did say this.

Then get the hell out.

Do not flatter yourself. You are not informing anyone. Rather, you're spewing out false information, which isn't, on it's lonesome, so bad. Instead, your trolling and frankly immature additude of turning to insults whence unable to follow through with the subject at hand by way of being ****ing owned in a conversation.

What idiots? You mean the idiots that go about as follows?;
"I checked planet catfish. They say H punctatus is listed as a trinidad pleco, and they are always right."

...and when presented with said profile, nowhere in which it states "trinidad pleco" as a common name, proceeds to argue his point, despite being proven wrong. Is that not idiocy? Is idiocy itself embedded in not being able to argue your point thoroughly, and instead, merely post; "you guys are dumb"?

Perhaps you need to check your sense of irony.



Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 06-Jul-2005 13:16

Some people on this site are plain dumb

I'm done informing you idiots.

Last edited by JustinL at 05-Jul-2005 21:41

"Do you think guppies live in 300 gallons of water in the wild. Try millions of gallons instead. Moving a fish from millions of gallons of water to only 300 gallons would make it feel cramped"

So a three hundred gallon tank is cramping for a guppy, as you said. This alludes to the fact that, in order for a guppy to live a happy and fulfulling life, it must live in a million gallon tank. However, you're forgetting the that, come the dry season, the shallow waters in which they live are parched into sun baked pools. Like many labyrinth fishes, they are adapted to live in extreme conditions brought on by neo equatorial climates, and the relative open space of a 10 gallon aquarium as opposed to a muddy, 5 inch deep silthole will suit them just fine. Again, keep in mind that guppies are not migratory, and spend almost there entire lives in small pond and the stream feeding into them. They will never see a million gallons of water in their entire short lives, and won't even swim through that much gallonage.

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Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 06-Jul-2005 12:41

Glady

Why would you want to cramp a fish? Why keep a heavy-duty potentially agressive fish in its bare-bones minimum. I dont know about you, but i like to see my fish with plenty of room. A 14in fish in an 18" wide tank looks disproportionate and sad.

"Do you think guppies live in 300 gallons of water in the wild. Try millions of gallons instead. Moving a fish from millions of gallons of water to only 300 gallons would make it feel cramped"

You didnt say it outright, but there was definately an implication that fish, even small ones, need big tanks because their habitats are huge.




Last edited by katieb at 05-Jul-2005 21:13

I'll do graffiti,
If you sing to me in French.

a 14" catfish can live in a tank that is 18" and can fully turn, therefore it is sufficient, it may feel cramped, but it is sufficient.

Again, nowhere did I say guppies need a minimum of 300 gallons.

Last edited by JustinL at 05-Jul-2005 21:08

Generally the length of a fish given does not include the tail finnage.....so if you have a large fish and cram it into a tank with just 2" to spare assuming the fish isn't stunted and reaches its eventual projected size, that fish would most likely be larger than the actual width of the tank including the tail. Pardon the bad grammar, my brain is foggy but you get what I mean. Basically it would be like cramming yourself into a refridgerator box (maybe a few of them taped together, let's not exaggerate too much) and trying to lead a normal life. It's fine as long as someone drops food in daily through the hole in the top and removes your excrement every week or so. You can still turn around so it's ok.

Here I will do it for you http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sufficient&x=14&y=16

see where it says: 1 a : enough to meet the needs of a situation or a proposed end <sufficient provisions for a month>

I can't find where I said a catfish does not need million of gallons. However I did say a 75 gal was SUFFICIENT. Try www.m-w.com and type sufficient, I'm sure you will get a better understanding of what I'm saying.

You're missing my point entirely.

You said:

-Guppies live in habitats that contain millions of water.
-Moving them from said habitat into a 300gal would make them feel cramped.

Then you said:

- This 14" catfish will have sufficient room in a 75 gallon



All the while you have been ignoring the fact that:

A guppy is a skinny 2 inch fish and this catfish is bulky and over a foot long. Yet you claim its is the guppy that needs the huge aquarium and not the catfish.

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See how you are completely contridicting yourself. One minute you want to give guppies a pond and the next you want to give a catfish a tank it can barely turn around in.


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"Putting aside the fact you have a low vocabulary, I said it would be sufficient, if you do not know what that means you may want to go look it up.

As far as I know, sufficient and fine do not mean the same thing."

Awww, youve painted yourself into such a tight corner, that youve resorted to petty semantics.


Last edited by katieb at 05-Jul-2005 20:58

I'll do graffiti,
If you sing to me in French.

Putting aside the fact you have a low vocabulary, I said it would be sufficient, if you do not know what that means you may want to go look it up.

As far as I know, sufficient and fine do not mean the same thing.

Last edited by JustinL at 05-Jul-2005 20:51

"Do you think guppies live in 300 gallons of water in the wild. Try millions of gallons instead. Moving a fish from millions of gallons of water to only 300 gallons would make it feel cramped....The fish he is talking about does not reach 20 inches, but instead 14 inches with 4 extra inches of turining room. This may seem like cramped quarters to you, but it is sufficient to a 14" fish."

So a guppy feels cramped in 300 gal tank, but a 14"-18" catfish will do just fine in a 75 gal tank?

Please explain to me your logic behind this.


Or go to Aqurium Advice, i think you need all the advice you can get


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"And what would you do if you were to stay in a 23x14 ft room all day? Wait to be fed!!"

Except for the fact that humans have complex psyches and fish....well don't. Apples and oranges, kiddo.


Last edited by katieb at 05-Jul-2005 20:46

I'll do graffiti,
If you sing to me in French.

And what would you do if you were to stay in a 23x14 ft room all day? Wait to be fed!!

See you later/never.

If you're so worried about the proper habitat of fish, why did you tell this guy he could have a catfish that gets 18" long and is extremely heavy-bodied in a tank that is only 20" wide?

Besides many fish have never seen the wild, so they wouldnt know any different life than one in a fish tank. The wild isnt all its cracked up to be either. There fisherman, preditors, pollution and natural disasters.

Many, many people on this board keep fish in tanks smaller than the fishes natural habitat. Their fish mate, establish pecking orders within their school, fight over territory, etc. These are all things they would do in the wild. So obviously, one doesnt need millions of gallons to make a fish happy.

ETA: Spanked by Noodles.

Last edited by katieb at 05-Jul-2005 20:29

I'll do graffiti,
If you sing to me in French.

If a guppy needs a million, a 14" catfish needs, by your reasoning, far more than that.


Catch you later.

Where did I say walking catfish needed millions of gallons?
Apparently the some people on this site don't have any brains.

Aquarium Advice is alot better than this site.

Goodbye.

Last edited by JustinL at 05-Jul-2005 20:26