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"Do you think guppies live in 300 gallons of water in the wild. Try millions of gallons instead. Moving a fish from millions of gallons of water to only 300 gallons would make it feel cramped"

So a three hundred gallon tank is cramping for a guppy, as you said. This alludes to the fact that, in order for a guppy to live a happy and fulfulling life, it must live in a million gallon tank. However, you're forgetting the that, come the dry season, the shallow waters in which they live are parched into sun baked pools. Like many labyrinth fishes, they are adapted to live in extreme conditions brought on by neo equatorial climates, and the relative open space of a 10 gallon aquarium as opposed to a muddy, 5 inch deep silthole will suit them just fine. Again, keep in mind that guppies are not migratory, and spend almost there entire lives in small pond and the stream feeding into them. They will never see a million gallons of water in their entire short lives, and won't even swim through that much gallonage.

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Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 06-Jul-2005 12:41

Some people on this site are plain dumb

I'm done informing you idiots.

Last edited by JustinL at 05-Jul-2005 21:41

Then get the hell out.

Do not flatter yourself. You are not informing anyone. Rather, you're spewing out false information, which isn't, on it's lonesome, so bad. Instead, your trolling and frankly immature additude of turning to insults whence unable to follow through with the subject at hand by way of being ****ing owned in a conversation.

What idiots? You mean the idiots that go about as follows?;
"I checked planet catfish. They say H punctatus is listed as a trinidad pleco, and they are always right."

...and when presented with said profile, nowhere in which it states "trinidad pleco" as a common name, proceeds to argue his point, despite being proven wrong. Is that not idiocy? Is idiocy itself embedded in not being able to argue your point thoroughly, and instead, merely post; "you guys are dumb"?

Perhaps you need to check your sense of irony.



Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 06-Jul-2005 13:16

Glady

Justin,

Do you know what an inference is?

You said that guppies live in millions of gallons of water and that a move from millions of gallons to 300gal, would make them feel cramped, because of the drastic drop in gallonage. Therefor your implying that guppies need much much more than 300gal of water to avoid that cramped feeling.

Then you went on to say that the 75 gallon would be sufficient for this huge catfish (whose habitat also has millions of gallons of water).

Thats why this thread turned out the way it did, you seem to have a problem with communicating.



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Okay, this is my last post in this thread, and I'm going to try and make it useful;

Planet catfish profiles are structured so that one can EXPECT their fish to reach the posted size IN THE HOME AQUARIA/POND. These generally, therefore, do NOT correspond to wild sizes, or rather, not always.

The walking catfish we speaketh of reaches 14.4", or it is expected to, at least.

This is SL, meaning that the measurement is taken from the tip of the snout to the cadual peduncle, effectively excluding the cadual fin.

In a 14.4" clarias, the TL (full) can be expected to be around 18", as the tail will be a good three inches in length.

Combine that with a huge, bulky body, and your fish will be hard pressed to navigate through a 75 gallon tank with any decor whatsoever (and it is necessary, as these fish are diurnally secretive). Furthermore, they are loosely social fish, and enjoy the company of others of their species, despite however rude they may be towards other fish.

Thus, end post, and gtfo, troll.

Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 06-Jul-2005 13:17

They will reach 14 inches in the wild and would most likely not reach that size in an aquarium.
Here is another trusted site that says they get up to 14.4"
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/clariida/clarias/11_f.php

Last edited by JustinL at 05-Jul-2005 18:57

maybe an african butterfly fish and a ghostknife

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''All the clown fish and yellow tangs in the world cant save you now!''

As 75-gallon is unsuitable as a long-term enclosure for even the smallest freshwater stingray.

Don't even get me started with the clarias.

No i find the walking catfish best kind really, i hav'nt had any problems with him yet. He just eats a lot lol.

...and grows past three feet in length

...and is incredibly belligerent

True but the type i have gets 14".

Unless you can provide me with a picture, I doubt it. C. Batrachus are so commonplace and other clarias are so rare that it is unlikely that you have anything other than the *standard-build* walking catfish. Sharptooth walkers are reportedly fairly widespread amongst the aquarium community as well, but they grow even larger than said fish, rendering it all the more unsuitable for your tank. Others, most notably (at least to my knowledge) the cameroonensis (spelling?), can fetch well over 50 bucks per juvenile. Even then, a 14" *aggresive* fish won't fit in a 75 gallon aquarium.

Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 05-Jul-2005 13:12

stingrays and common walking catfish would get way too big for a 75 gal. I would suggest a 4 foot wide tank at least.

Last edited by JustinL at 05-Jul-2005 18:25

The catfish i got is Clarias angolensis, it has those tiny white spot patterns on their sides, the only thing is mine is a molted verity. The type that gets 3 feet is Clarias gariepinus ( African walking catfish ).

No, no, my friend. The sharptooth walker, or the "African" walking cat, as I stated earlier, grows larger than the more common Asian variety; possibly twice it's size. The *common* walking cat is actually C. batrachus from Asia, and does reach aroung the vicinity of 3'. Keep in mind that most clarias species, when young, are speckled, including C. gariepinus (in fact, the angolanese walking cat doesn't have speckles at full size). The only clarias species I know of which has any molted colouration whatsoever is C. batrachus.



Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 05-Jul-2005 17:15

Just looked up Clarias angolensis on fishbase and sayed they reach a max size of 14 inches, so it should be fine in a 75 gal.

Firstly, you're not even sure if the fish is indeed an angolanese walking catfish, secondly, it will NOT be fine in a 75. Generally speaking, I up fishbase's estimates by an inch, for they are usually off by at least that much (keep in mind, they take their information off of hobbyist books as well), so a 15" catfish has merely 3" of turning space, not to mention that once it reaches full size, it becomes a nasty character, especially towards the placid stingray, which will not fit, either.

Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 05-Jul-2005 18:54

I have a 75 that im not impressed with anymore. In it right now is a trio of Firemouths, one a breeding pair, 3 kribs,pleco,and 6-7 cories. What i was hoping is to put my firemouths in my 55 and my walking catfish in the 75 along with a sting ray and some other fish. What could these other fish be?

The listed sizes on P C are put there as a benchmark for AQUARIST USE. That means that one can expect, under optimal conditions in an aquarium, for said fish to grow to 14.4", as you say. They will not reach that size in a 75 gallon because they become stunted, even in such a minute degree, they are still stunted. If you want to house a fish and not provide it with optimal conditions, be my guest.

Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 05-Jul-2005 19:02

If it has 3 more inches to turn, I do not see a problem.

For fish large than 7" or so, it is generally advised to keep them in tanks at least x1.5 their length. A thick fish such as a clarias, when turning in the midst of even mediocre ornamentation, will not be a happy camper.

They are eel like, I'm sure there won't be a problem.

Believe me, I work with clariids quite often (well, mainly one species, as we do not get the rarer ones in stock). They are actually quite heavily built and would definitely appreciate a wider tank. I have seen them at nearly full size; they will not enjoy only 3" of wiggle room. With ornaments, as previously said, the fish will have quite a tough time navigating, especially due to its girth.

Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 05-Jul-2005 19:22

Justin- Im sorry but I have to agree with Cup Of Lifenoodles.
He is right.
Hes not saying that to hurt your feelings
or make you unhappy or angry.
For the exact same reason I took my Bala Sharks
out of my 75g tank, is the exact reason that
Clarias cat needs to go.
A fish 14 inches or larger does not even begin to
be able to enjoy a life in a tank only a couple inches wider than itself.
Dont say they are eel like- because when these guys
mature, they are big, clumsy, and thick as heck.
One of the LFS near me has a show Clarias in a 350G tank,
and that catfish makes that tank look too small for it
when he gets movin.
They are one of those fish that should not even be in the aquarium trade, and in their native lands are considered
a prized Food fish because of their sheer size.
Any fish that is prized for food because of its size,
is probably too big to be in an aquarium.
Do the catfish a favor, find him a home with 300G or more where he will be happy, and wont stunt and die at an early age.
Find a fish much more suited to a 75g tank.
There are plenty of big cats that would be fine in that
tank for their whole lives, and in my opinion are much
better looking and more interesting.
Also, the Clarias you think it is, I have seen going for 125 CAD here as a "dwarf" variety, and the stores still label them as 16 Inches+ max size.
The regular clarias can easily exceed 24 inches and in the wild have been caught at lengths way over 3 feet.



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How about not taking any fish out of the wild? I'm sure a guppy would feel cramped in even a 300 gal. I'm sure your angelfish which can reach a size of 8" are not happy in your 25 gal.

Last edited by JustinL at 05-Jul-2005 19:31

Last edited by JustinL at 05-Jul-2005 19:34

"How about not taking any fish out of the wild? I'm sure a guppy would feel cramped in even a 300 gal. I'm sure your angelfish which can reach a size of 8" are not happy in your 25 gal."

How could a guppy feel cramped in a 300 gal? Its only a few inches long and the 300 gal would give it room to swim and turn around, unlike this catfish. Thats a pretty weak arguemment.

I have seen pics of sneaky_petes angels and in my opinion they are healthy and very pretty. If he felt they were at all cramped (i.e only having 3 inches to turn around) he would move them. Funny how he tried to be nice and explain that no one is attacking you and you snark at him

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Thanks Katie.
"She" though.
My angels are a breeding pair,
and the tank of 25g is definetly sufficient, as they are, with the exception of some corys, the only fish in the tank.
Like katie said, if they grow larger, and are unhappy at all,
I WILL get them a larger tank. I love my angels and if I suspected for 1 minute that they were unhappy or would not live out their full lives of 15 years or more, then I would upgrade their tank instantly.
Also your comment about a guppy is interesting.
You are comparing a 2 inch fish, with a 20+ inch fish.
Quite a difference I think, and your comparison leaves something to be desired both in the sarcasm department, and in the kindness department.
We are only trying to help this person with the Clarias catfish answer his question about his tank stocking.
Everyone is entitled to differing opinions, but research should be done before assuming a 20 inch fish is ok in a tank 18 inches wide.
Thank you.


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Do you think guppies live in 300 gallons of water in the wild. Try millions of gallons instead. Moving a fish from millions of gallons of water to only 300 gallons would make it feel cramped. The guy with the 350 gal tank should seriously upgrade to a tank in the thousands or give them away to a public aquarium or move them into a large pond. The fish he is talking about does not reach 20 inches, but instead 14 inches with 4 extra inches of turining room. This may seem like cramped quarters to you, but it is sufficient to a 14" fish.

Last edited by JustinL at 05-Jul-2005 20:00

Do you really think that guppies realize that they have millions of gallons in the first place. The only time they will feel cramped is if they cannot turn around or are constantly hitting things, etc. Putting an 18" fish in a 20" wide tank is like putting a 2" guppy in a 4" wide tank.


"Moving a fish from millions of gallons of water to only 300 gallons would make it feel cramped."

Kind of like if I lived all by myself in an 8 million dollar mansion sitting on 20 acres of land and i had to move to a 3 million dollar mansion with 8 acres of land. Yes, i would feel very cramped indeed.


Last edited by katieb at 05-Jul-2005 20:09

I'll do graffiti,
If you sing to me in French.

More like taking a person from a 4000000000000000 square foot home and placing them in a 1400 square foot home. what are fish supposed to do all day long? Just swim and eat, look at the same decor over and over again? Think of how boring it must be to be a fish in an aquarium.