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Test it before and after a water change. Ammonia before. pH before and after.

I think.

i said that instead of going out right out and saying getting it on. more of a joke.

Judz, what I mean is any time I have more than 1 dwarf gourami together (2-3 dwarf gouramis) they die. They usually kill each other. My only success with these fish has been keeping 1 male alone, or 1 male with 1-2 females.

Goldfishgeek,
The only thing that concerns me is
that you didnt mention how big clowns get (over 1 foot)
nor the fact they require a bare minimum of 75Gs but I wouldnt put them in my 75- i wouldnt even put them in a 90.
Other than that your info is correct.

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thats what i have now is lots of hidding spots

but i think im still going to move the one to the other tank

I think the number of gouramis depends on the individual fish (nothing you can do about that but cross your fingers when you pick them out) and how many hiding spaces there are in the tank. If there are alot of plants and caves for the fish to retreat to if threatened, the gouramis would bully to the point of death. But if the fish is being bullied 24/7, you have a problem. I suggest getting a male/female pair. However, females are very rarely sold because their color is dull. So, 2 males with hiding places could work too.

well im thinking of trading in the one for a female too. maybe have some fry.

im thinking of getting rid of the dwarf or the powder blue
cause the dwarf picks on the powder so not sure to get rid of the agr one or the timid one.

and get ride of the catfish and get a goldzebra loach

I personally think that a 6 inch fish looks rather odd in a 29 gallon set up.

That set up is good, but I was leaning towards more of the "most" fish he could keep.

That is not a bad idea to only have 1 gourami though. Just I disagree with almost any pleco in a 29, except for bn's and I think they are called clown plecos any way they are small so they would fit.

I just think a 6 inch fish looks odd in a 29 gallon, then again, that's just my opinion.

1 gold and 1 black mystery snail
5 neons
5 glowlights
5 harlequin rasbora
1 dwarf gouramis
1 power blue gouramis
1 pearl gouramis
2 dwarf frogs
1 villavo pleco (L147)


This is what I would do:
remove the pearl gourami
remove one of the dwarf gouramis
remove 1 of the 3 schools of fish
Keeo the pleco and the frogs


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tried the baiting of the snails to get them out well ran into a problem the mystery snail eats all of it first. Its gone in like 10 mins.

i know loaches like snails but they should leave my mystery snails alone shouldnt they?

when is the best time to test ph and amm?

thank you very much nameless for the advice i do consider all the advice i get cause its the only way i learn. Again i like u guys being the devils advocate.

I'm not saying get rid of the Frogs. I'm simply saying move them to a 5 gallon or somewhere you probably see them more. Ok, this is what I propose to make your tank ammonia free and possibly more attractive than the mess of fish you have.

Keep

1 gold and 1 black mystery snail

Get rid of one of these schools.

5 neons
5 glowlights
5 harlequin rasbora

Keep either both the powder blue and dwarf gourami or keep the pearl gourami. Don't keep all three.

1 dwarf gouramis
1 powder blue gouramis
1 pearl gouramis

Get rid of/put in a different tank

2 dwarf frogs(put in a 5 gallon)
1 villavo pleco (L147)(get a bigger tank)

Add

A school of 6 cory's.

Ok, now this is what I would do with the tank now.

2 Mystery Snails
5 Neon Tetras
5 Glowlight Tetras
1 Pearl Gourami
6 small cory's

You could replace the pearl gourami with both the dwarf and powder blue gourami, but try not to have all three in there.

Please consider my advice or some of the advice of other members that have already posted.


Last edited by Nameless at 31-Jul-2005 13:20

but the frogs are cool and clean up leftover food the pearl gouramis is very peacefull to the others

I really think you don't need the dwarf frogs in a 29 gallon. They are usually fine in a 10 or 5 I think. The pleco that gets 6 inches is probably too big for the 29 gallon. Not just size, but it is a waste machine. 3 Schools of fish would look messy Remove one of the schools. The pearl gourami shouldn't be kept with the powder blue and dwarf gourami because they will fight.

Hopefully if you do that then your ammonia should drop and your tank should be fine.

the pleco only get 6 inches max. The neons and glowlights seem to create one big school of fish so if i was to add one more to make six it would be the rasboras. if i could only add one. in this case thats pushing it.

Last edited by judz at 31-Jul-2005 06:24

this may not be an issue in your case but i used to have a dwarf gourami wiht a powder blue and they used to fish. there wasn't any real damage done but they each had seperate halves of the tank.

Also i have heard that you are not supposed to mix regular gourami's ( your pearl) and dwarf gouramis but i have no experience with that.

This may be a bit off topice from the amonnia debate, though I think it pertains to the origional question...

too many fish?

Well, obviously, your answer is yes. But, for the heck of it, let's look at this from an optomistic point of veiw.
Here are your fish:
1 gold and 1 black mystery snail
5 neons
5 glowlights
5 harlequin rasbora
1 dwarf gouramis
1 power blue gouramis
1 pearl gouramis
2 dwarf frogs
1 villavo pleco (L147)

From what I can see, you do not have to drop as many fish as insinuated earlier. If you were to have a fully-loaded, nicely filtered 29 gallon, you could have:

1 gold and 1 black mystery snail
5 neons
5 glowlights
5 harlequin rasbora
1 dwarf gouramis
1 power blue gourami

The gouramis would be the centerpiece fish, even though they're not huge waste producers. All of the schooling fish produce little waste, but I would add another fish to each school, so you could have the magic 6 for each (the bare minimum for any school). Then, you have the snails, which should probably not be a big problem either.

This leaves you with:
1 pearl gourami
2 dwarf frogs
1 villavo pleco (L147)

Now, you can stock the 155 almost any way you want. Th only 2 fish you have to worry about are the plec and the gourami.

However, notice that I left out the frogs. This is because I don't thnink they fit in either tanks. Dwarf frogs have trouble coming to the surface to get air in tall tanks, so a 155 is out of the question. Therefore, I would get a 2.5 gallon. They're really cheap and it can easily hold 2 frogs. Just remember to get a cover because they climb.

The inch-per-gallon rule of fish has been discredited numurous times. It's more of a bio load issue. So you still need to send some fish back to the store. Is it a common pleco? If so he definately needs to go back.