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Samon
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Post InfoPosted 30-Oct-2013 05:20Profile PM Edit Report 
superlion
 
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Good for you testing the water!

The only thing that jumps out at me as unusual in this situation is what you're adding to the water. Prime and Stress Coat both contain dechlorinators, and if you're adding those in addition to another "water conditioner" it might be too much (I assume this is dechlorinator. Or are you using something to adjust the pH or hardness?). On the other hand I've heard some of these things are really hard to OD on.

I'm wondering why your KH is so low with such a high GH.

pH and KH are also on the low side for most livebearers (including guppies) - which I think covers why my mom (who has soft water where she lives) can't keep platies alive, but I (with "liquid rock" coming out of the tap) have them growing like crazy.

And I'd like to make a side note about fancy guppies' hardiness. Guppies have been line-bred for so long now that many of them are really not exceptionally hardy. Add that to the conditions they're often in when purchased... I wouldn't say you're guaranteed to have problems, but it's really not that shocking that they might have some form of disease from the time you got them. How long have you had the guppies?

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Post InfoPosted 31-Oct-2013 02:54Profile Homepage PM Edit Delete Report 
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Hi Samon,
Wow! Testing, keeping records, and presenting the
results in a graph! BRAVO!

The low KH can happen on occassion with a high GH so that's
not too outta wack.

Superlion is correct in pointing out that guppies have been
inbred for so many decades that they have become sensitive
to conditions such as the low pH, but many do survive and
thrive, if they are acclimated over a period of weeks to
the lower pH.

I'm curious as to where you are getting your fish from.
If they are from one of the larger super pet stores, they
can be carrying a disease or parasite. If they come from
a smaller local fish store, then they generally quarentine(sp) their fish and treat the tanks if they find a problem.

Really nice looking planted tank too!

Frank


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Samon
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Thanks for the replies!

Yes, the pH is a little on the low side, I'll raise that (reasonably slowly of course!) to around the 7.0-7.2 mark.

The high GH/low KH is (I believe) due to the water conditioner that I'm using, the tap water is very soft here in Melbourne, Australia, around 7.6 pH and 1dGH/1dKH. Adding the water conditioner brings the GH right up to about 16dGH but the KH only rises to about 3dKH.

The fish have mainly been bought from smaller aquariums who I know do take pretty good care of their tanks, quarantining as necessary, however of course it is still possible that some kind of disease has got into the tank that way.

The fish were bought at different times, but things were pretty stable for quite a few months - then I decided to change the substrate over to EcoComplete about 6-7 weeks ago, and from that point I've been losing them at a rate of about 1 per week. I'm aware that changing the substrate severely upsets the bacteria ecosystem in the tank, and was expecting an ammonia, nitrite or nitrate spike, however those levels never really did anything notable, just the fish began to die off. Other than the substrate change, nothing that I can think of (the water conditioner, StressCoat, Prime, Flourish/FlourishExcel, the frequency/volume of the water changes, etc) has changed.
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superlion
 
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I would have expected an ammonia spike too. Have you checked your test kit to make sure it is not expired?

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Samon
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Nope, the test kit is fine...
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