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why is his 30g with 6 fishies WAY overstocked?

if anything i think its understocked if there is such a thing ]

Definately swim bladder disorder.

Thx all guys, I tink i've concluded that it was swim bladder. He's fine now. I'll see what i can do with the over execessive goldfishs. I'll do more water changes for the mean time being so those poor fishes don't suffer.

Once again thx alot guys!

Gee

!!I think I just learned somthing new!!

it cud b dat e aint gettin anuf oxygen do u fink dat cud b it?

..thanks for the imput Trystianity but you have explained in your post what I already know..i have been keeping fish for quite some time now..
I was merely saying and stating that some fish can be kept together and full tank if certain measures are taken..I would not advise this though.
Goldies and plecos are great waste producers.
changeing water 2-3 times a week in small amounts for fish like this would not do much harm(my opinion)they are very hardy fish and can withstand quite a bit!

Im keeping my fish happy and on a good schedual for now until the other tank is purchased..Im not planning on waiting much longer..

water quality is essential!and Id like to add DO not over feed..

Sue

There's a number of problems with your tank. It sounds like your "constant" water changing may be throwing your tank into mini-cycles. If you had 6 2" goldfish in a 30 gallon tank I wouldn't be too concerned.

As long as you only feed the fish 2-3 flakes each once a day you should be fine for a little while. Once the fish get to about 3", you've got a problem.

Could you tell us some more about your water changing frequency and amount?

To answer your question, sue. . . . I would say that tank is most likely overstocked. The goldies may be small for now but eventually you're looking at WAY too much for that tank when they reach full size. I'm assuming the plecos are commons, and like I said in the above post they can grow to almost 2 feet in length. They're just far too big for any of the tanks you have. Without knowing the size of the fish right now, I can't say for certain whether the tank is overstocked right now but I will say you're cruising toward a tank disaster and stunted fish if you don't do something with that 35 and soon.

I like to think 1-2 goldies per 55 gallon tank, as they are quite messy and you need great filtration just for 2 of them. Goldies in anything smaller are just not a good plan. Also, tiger barbs are tropical, goldies are coldwater and really shouldn't be kept together. I'm not sure what kind of catfish you're referring to so I can't really give input on that one but it's still another body adding to the load on that tank. Tiger barbs need to be kept in groups of at least 6-8 as well to prevent them from becoming aggressive with other tankmates.

I know it doesn't feel good to take fish back but it's really not about you. nothing is when it comes to this hobby. It's about providing a good healthy home for your fish throughout their long, happy lives and reaping the rewards of good fishkeeping. Sick anmd dead fish aren't a lot of fun to watch.

..Look what I have in my fancy gold tank!! Its been running for months..am I over stocked?..yes and no, would not let the fish go too too long planning on another tank soon. Its all in the schedual you have on maintaining it.

I have a strict feeding schedual for bottom feeders and fancies..do 10 maybe 20% water changes every 3 days, vacs on the weekend. I change the carbon once a month(maybe at times little longer)..Ive not one problem yet..(knock on wood)I know all of these fish should be seperate for the most part,but water condition is got to be the most important.( as you all know )

It is tight in my tank( and this one mentioned in the post)
Its one of those tanks you cant let go, or something is bound to happen.

Water quality,WATER QUALITY..it seems yes, this tank has been neglected over a period of time,and now it shows,suggesting maybe get rid of 2 fancies or move up in size tank like mentioned, or get a good schedual for this tank in the future.

Sue

The tank would be overstocked based on the bio load alone, not even taking into account the grown fish size. Sounds like to me either the tank isn't cycled OR the filtration just can't support the bio load. With that sort of waste you'd need a fluidized bed filter.

Grown up size, there's potentially 8 feet of fish in there...that's if the fish don't become stunted (which is a bad thing). Gonna have to agree with Trystianity. I would also restock the tank with more suitable fish.

Hi all really urgent,

My mom's tank has a pearlscale that is swimming upside down
he dosen't seem sick at all. All of the sudden it's swimming upside down. Any help would be aprciated! b4 he started to swim upside down i sorta noticed that he floats all the time. He can't seem to put himself lower in the tank. Can it be the "somting bladder syndrom?"

It currently living with 5 other goldies and a pleco.
ph is 6.0 (don't know y)
nitrite is 0.1
Amonia 0.5
30gal bowfront tank
Constant water change
other fishes are fine

Gee

!!I think I just learned somthing new!!

I'm a little concerned about the whole setup after the 'water was green' comment. It's certainly worth increasing the regularity of you water changes over the next week or two, to one 10% every 2 days. That ammonia level is to high, IMHO... and the water turning?? Thats of real concern to the health of any fish...

It seems fancies or quite e to swim bladder disorders. Personally, I've had some degree of success with aquarium salts, although many claim those don't work. Others, seem to prefer fasting their fish (not recommended) or giving them natural laxatives such as green peas (don't use artificial laxes) to clear the digestive tract, as the swim bladder of cyprinids is directly in contact with the esophagus. Also, do try and thin out your goldie population and upgrade your tank. 1-2 per 45 gallons, I guess. Maybe even more.

[span class="edited"][Edited by Klee 2004-08-04 22:12][/span]

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this but your tank is WAY overstocked. A 30 gallon tank is two small to accomadate one goldy and you have 6 in there. I'm betting that plec of yours is also a common pleco, which grow to almost 2 feet long.

I would probably say this issue sounds most like swimbladder disorder to me, which is very common in fancy goldfish. In poor water quality they are even more likely to get it. In a 30 gallon tank with 6 goldies and a plec, there's no way your water is going to be anything but poor. I noticed that the ammonia in your tank was questioned but it appears nobody took the time to read your stock.

My advice: find those goldies and plec a new home, even if it means you have to return them to the store. Then restock the 30 gallon tank with some more appropriate fish to avoid these complications.

is he pooing?

Sounds like an odd question, but fancy goldies can be e to constipation, which can exacerbate swimbladder problems.

Try feeding him a shelled pea and see if that helps.

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I like to think that whoever designed marine life was thinking of it as basically an entertainment medium. That would explain some of the things down there, some of the unearthly biological contraptions

Yah i heard about that, I feed mix of hikari floating pellets and nutrafin max flakes. Though he is the only one that is like that. He seems to be fine breathing a lil heavy ( i tink he is kinda shocked that he is upside down) I heard swim bladder is hereditary, is that true? The tank is cycled. The amonia can be fix immediatly, kinda fluxuating. I put in sum algae fix because of green water. I tink that pulled my ph down...
The question...if my fish can become well again? (with swim bladder, if so)?

Thx
Gee

Gee

!!I think I just learned somthing new!!

What are you feeding him? A lot of fancy goldfish swim funny/float funny if you feed them flakes (or sometimes even floating pellets). If you're feeding flakes, try a sinking pellet instead. When they eat food from the surface they sometimes ingest air bubbles/ get gas bubbles in their systems.

I'm so adjective, I verb nouns!

Is the tank cycled? The ammonia seems a touch high. Could be swim bladder... i've never had a fish do this, but giving you a reply will bump you back to the top of the forum!

Have you isolated the sick fish from all the others? I'd start there, and wait for a reply regarding what other info could help diagnos if it is swim bladder diseases. Try the disease identifier on this site, then do a WWW search for what you suspect, you're bound to turn up more info.. and then hopefully you'll get a knowledgable reply!

Good luck.