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EditedEdited 05-Jan-2010 01:32
In my 45 gal, I had a heater malfunction over nite, temp went from 78 up to 90. I fixed the problem, slowly lowered temp down to 80 over a few hours, but my female blood parrot ( only one affected) became covered in ich.

This has been going on for 4 days now, I am treating with Malachite blue ( spelling?)at 1/2 dose, and melafix. Temp is at 80.
its not getting any better, usually by now, i've got rid of it, the few times Ive had ich.( I mean its off of the fish...- OOPS)

Tankmates- 6 diamond tetra, 1 female krib, 1 pictus cat- all are fine.
no ammonia, no nitrite, 20 nitrate, ph 7.0

doing 20 % water changes between doses daily- and no carbon in filters...

she is extremely lethargic, breathing heavy, clamped fins, only comes out when I go near tank. Im feeding very litely, and she will eat.

Any ideas? suggestions?
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Maybe you can put her in a separate tank... and slowly salt the water. If not maybe a quick saline dip? I found that ich reacts better to the meds if the temp is raised to about 82 and you slowly add salt to the water. Since you have a cat in the tank, I'm a little worried about adding salt to the home tank. Hope that helps.

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The ich life cycle can last longer, so you should be patient. The white cysts are unaffected by medication and will only go away once that part of the life cycle is complete.

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I'm sure she didnt take the temp fluctuations as well as the others. Actually that am I noticed something was wrong because of her labored breathing.....that was the first symptom with all of this.

Could the fact that she laid eggs a few days before the heater malfuction, have weakened her enough for the heater issue to stress her enough to cause the ich?? She was not amused when I took out her eggs.

I thought about moving her- but- Ive only got a 10 gal available- considering she is 5-6 in and very thick, I dont think its an option, That and she likes to rest in her cave which wont fit in the 10. ( a large flowerpot)

I'm trying to be patient, but honestly the only few ich outbreaks Ive had- the ich was only visable for 2 days. How long can this continue?? And is there anything else I can do?? And as stressed as she is- heavly breathing, hiding, just laying there all the time unless She sees me... Im really worried if she's gonna pul threw if this lasts much longer.
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I understand that ich doesnt just go away, and that its basically a month's time to be sure your "rid" of it. I've rarely had an outbreak, and just have never seen it visable on a fish this long.

With her labored breathing- is it safe to raise the temp,over 80?? to speed this up, or will 80 suffice?

Whats the longest time it will be visible on her? She isnt getting any worse, but isnt getting any better either.But I guess no worse- is a good sign.

Unfortunately Ive grown VERY attached, she is very much like a black lab puppy in personality- and To be honest- Im worried sick.
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hca

I hate to repeat myself but here is the answer


Reproduction occurs away from the host. After maturing in the skin, which takes a few days to three weeks, depending on the temperature, the parasite bores out, swims away and comes to rest on a submerged object such as a stone, or plant. Here it forms a jelly-like cyst within which a series of rapid cell divisions take place. In a few hours, several hundred daughter cells or swarmers, are produced, which break out of the cyst to find a new host. Alighting on the skin, they burrow in to recommence the life cycle. If they fail to find a host within three to four days, they perish.


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Sorry if I missed something here but that half dose treatment is bothering me.

If you're doing it because of the pictus, try getting one of the 'safe for loaches' medications, not sure what's out in america these days, but I know there are plenty of meds out there. Ich is one of those things you have to attack head on full scale no half measures.

Ich can get stronger. I know when I had it I read plenty of articles. Seems raising the temp to 90 once worked, but these days if you're treating just with temp (Not Recommended!) you have to raise it to 100 simply because Ich was able to adapt, just like all these superbugs out there these days. If you've done a full treatment cycle but only at half dose some of these may be ones that weren't killed and are now stronger.


Increased temp only speeds up the life cycle, remember it's only when they drop off that they can be killed by the medications.



Adding the melafix, I've never really had much success treating anything with melafix. If you're starting a second round of treatment I'd suggest a bacteria booster with the water change. Also run an airstone with the raised water temperature to help agitate the surface to increase oxygen exchange into the water. That can help with the labored breathing. If you don't have an airstone raise up the level of the filter inflow to the tank so it splashes the surface more, even a little change can help.


Additionally, check carefully to make sure they're actually raised bumps, some of what you might be seeing could be scars, I've heard of some fish getting scars from Ich similar to chicken pox scars in humans (never seen it for myself though so don't know how common it is).

Hope that was coherent enough, pain killers are kicking in


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I have used Rid-Ich+ before with success. I have Kuhli loaches and at the time of treatment some Corys. I only raised the temp between 80-82deg just to speed up the cycle of ich. I hope this helps, good luck.
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EditedEdited 05-Jan-2010 01:30
I started tx with what I had on hand, which said not safe for the pictus. The nearest store to pick up any meds is 40 min away. I usually don't have many problems, and keep minimal meds on hand- usually pimafix and melafix. I picked up this ich med just incase, BEFORE i had the pictus...So thats why on the 1/2 dose.

The melafix. I've read it helps with the stress from dealing with the ich infection.

I have since went and got one safe for everyone, and will start TX with that tomorrow. Ive gone 2 full rounds now of the first...I am doing a 50% water change in the am, then dosing.

I added an airstone And lowered water a bit to increase O2 almost immediately once I fixed the temp problem that started this. It is still this way.

I have been following dosages and water changes as per directions.. only at a 1/2 dose because of pictus

Today breathing is better, she is more active, and not as many spots- so the ich is starting to be free floating.

I'm sure it is ich, not scars, she looks like I rolled her in a sugar , about 50% of her was covered. Today it looks more like 35-40%.

I havent seen any spots on anyone else. But I cant be 100% sure about the diamond tetras- given their coloring, and the fact they dont hold still in front of the glass for inspection like the others.Im 95% sure the diamonds are fine. Its just the BP affected.

I understand about the painkillers.. Bad knees and cold winters don't mix.... I think they had kicked in the fisrt time I read keiths post...
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Sounds like you are on the right track then, but you're right I've never known ich to stick around for so long, any chance that bottle you first started using was expired? Or close to expiration? Could have even been stored improperly at the store (too hot, too cold, that sort of thing) making it go off and not as effective.

Melafix usually doesn't hurt, we've added it from time to time, just wanted to make sure you weren't using it as a treatment in itself. I've seen people do that before !


Keep doing what you're doing. Rather then the 50% change all at once, any chance to do 25% tonight then another 25% in the morning? Be sure you're really digging down with that gravel vac and covering as much surface as you can, get as many as the free floaters as you can. If you do have cycle or another bacteria booster around now would be a good time to use it.

Sounds like you're seeing some progress, hopefully this next dose will get it all.


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Yeah, i can do 25 tonight and 25 in the am...

Im hope this next time gets it. It seems to be going on forever...

And yeah Ive got some cycle to throw in too..

Thanks Babel, Holly
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An update and NEW question

Up date- as of today- all ich is off her- behavior is back to 100% normal, I'm following another 3 day tx to hopefully get whatever is free floating, tank had 2 very deep cleanings with the water changes.

BUT- Question

where she had the largest concentrations of ich, she is now very very washed out in color. where is normally deep orange- is almost a flesh color, where is normally deep black- is a very very light grey. It doesnt look like a fungus, or even slime... just patches that are VERY pale.
ANY IDEAS???
Could this be the scarring talked about earlier?? OR is this something else?? I'll be keeping a close eye on it, But if this was another type of infection, I doubt she would be acting and behaving like her old self. correct??

I've just never seen anything like this, and I'm curious as to what it is, and why.


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