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If the tank was cycled some time ago and was empty for any time at all, then it would defintely lose good bacteria. If the fish load was dramatically reduced for some time (2 fish, for example), then you suddenly end up with an explosion of fry that are being fed, then the amount of bacteria just may not have been enough or the sponge filter being used is too small.

well, the male platty is eating a little now and the female guppy is getting worse, so i will euthinise her , so, now this thred is only about the betta fry, the live bearer fry are fine thats the strange part but im going to move the fish in the stock tank to a large tubaware container and put the live bearing fry in there, i will then move the plants and such in there too, there is a major snail infestation, and is making the ammonia hard to control, so i am going to put my "super snail killer" (just a powerfull filter) and some algae killer in there, after the tank has no more snails...what should i do? but i found a 5th healthy fry in the 10 gallon today he is still quite small, but he looks very healthy i am due to do a wc in there today, then i will dose with mela fix again

These are which fry - the livebearer fry or the betta fry?

I think it would be best if you had one post per tank. It's waaayyyyy to confusing trying to figure out what is going on where in a post like this. I'd rather deal with multiple threads where we can look at data on a given tank than to try sorting it out. Do you agree?

Sorry things are going well. I know it has to be heartbreaking.

well the "going out" fry lived so far, but another is showing his symptoms

i saw 2 more dead betta fry abd one more that was on his way out

well, i found one fry in the filter alive, but he died not too long after

Did any of the fry survive?

So this was a case of a pregnancy gone bad? If so, I guess it is important we keep such symptoms in our memory bank with bad prego's.

ok, thanxs Di and i found out that the female guppy died very soon after giving birth, or right before, with the filter sucking the fry out of her (if that makes scense) i run a powerfull filter on this 10 gallon, it must be for a 15-20 gallon, before i run it i secure fake plants to the output so it breaks up the current, and those other fish are hanging in there

I meant to say that at that age, they can easily handle lighter meds like Melafix and Pimafix. When in doubt, use half strength.

ooh i get it not, yea, at one point the tank was pretty empty, and i lost a fry, it was a very small one though, and i was almost planning on all the small ones to die (not to be mean) i mean they look like they are only 2 weeks old and they are like 7 weeks, most of the fry that are larger are doing much better as well, after i added half dose of melafix, they are swimming and are much more active as well i will update

ok, i have an extremely thin male platy, he tryes to eat, but never even gets it into his mouth he is extremely thin, im not sure what to do, or if i should try..he is starving to death!


now i have a female guppy with a swimbladder problem, she is all tippy, and she is kinda thin too, but she eats well, i guess. she is doing headstands, and twisting she has been like this for a week, and when she tryes to stop swimming, she just floats to the surface.


now for my most troubling case i have a 10 gallon of 6 week old betta fry, i also have some platty and guppy fry (only like 12 all together) i did have a tank full of betta, but now their numbers are dwindling they get clamped fins, inflaimed gills, very weak, and thir body might have fungus, i have started a treatment of melafix, and i tryedto help a single fry, but it died shortly after, and then i noticed 3 other fry that were just lying on the gravel, i think i still have 5-10 healthy fry (out of the 40-60) what should i do?

i am most concerned about the platty and betta fry, the platty and guppy are in the same tank, seperated by a divider so that all the males are seperated from the females

well yeasterday, i had 2 deaths in the stock tank, a diff female gupy, and a diff male platty but the other 2 are holding on well i quess, i removed 12 betta fry from the fry tank to the new betta fry tank, i am pretty sure 2 will die, or already dead (im at school) but one that appeared very very sick, perked right up once in there the tail fin is still quite stuck together, but he is actually swimming now i am overjoyed at his *knock on wood* speedy recovery, i have started to be more religious about water changes, i am now sucking gunk out once a day in the adult betta houses, and i will clean the fry tanks evryother day in intervals (betta fry tank one day the other tank the next day) and my 29 will get a change every 3 days or so seeings how i am seeing alot of particals floating lately, thanks for ur help so far

ok, in the stock tank(older fry i am returning to the fishstore ) i have plattys, and guppies, it is a bare bottom tank with floating plants, the bottom is always kept spotless, it has ben running for a few months and has been cycled this is the tank with the platty and guppy.

the parameters are from the fry tank, i dont understand why the tests are like this, i had the tank cycled a while ago, and had a seeded sponge filter on it, but i think i have no choice () but to hault all betta breeding attempts for now, and transfer the sick betta fry to the established betta tank, it is bare bottom, and the water is lowered so maybe they will do better in there, but i think i am only going to come out of this with a few fry standing oh, they are 7 weeks old today and some are vrye large, like an inch or so maybe a half inch but they have a bit of color,

here is a pic of the oldest fry, monster (RIP)
http://photobucket.com/albums/v300/fishyhelper288/breeding%20bettas/?action=view&current=DSCF2006.jpg
he was the first i noticed to go he started getting listless, lying on the filter, then speeding to the surface for air

here are some more fry in fromnt of the filter
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and this last pic is of the kind of plantd i have in there, they have already started spreding scence the pic was taken
http://photobucket.com/albums/v300/fishyhelper288/breeding%20bettas/?action=view&current=DSCF2151.jpg

all those pics were taken 2 weeks ago or so, so all the fry that u see they dont have color, have red coloring now, and now that i think of it there was another fry that i saw that died, and i did have pics, but i deleted them because i dident think they were important but i am pretty sure that the blood had pooled in its tummy

hope i answered everything

Fishy - I'm confused - all of that you are writing about - is it one tank or several? If it is more than one, break it down for us by tank.

Size:
Complete Stock List (include approximate age on fry and tell us if they are larval stage or fully developed mini's of mom and dad).
Parameters for each:

Any ammonia or nitrite at all is likley fatal to newly hatched or young egglayer fry. Fry are typically raised in a bare bottom tank with very gentle daily water changes and a seeded sponge filter.

Even melafix can be harmful to fry in some cases. There simply is no healthy substitute for zero ammonia, zero nitrites, and less than 5ppm of nitrates on a fry tank.

The same can be said of any tank that has sick fish. If all of these fish are in the same tank, then the water quality is causing their immunity to decline.

It could be constipation with swim bladder, but water quality can also affect swim bladder. Swim bladders can get infected with bacteria and viruses, and infested with parasites. If lots of things are going on, then the SBD may not be constipation related.

We need more info on what I requested above before we can recommend any further meds.

First order of business is to get any tank that is not at zero ammonia, zero nitrite, and less than 5ppm nitrates is to get it there. Do water changes a few hours apart of 15% or so and make sure the new water doesn't alter overall temp more than 1F, especially in the fry tank. If the fry are larval stage, you may want to do several 5-10% changes every 2-3 hours, but trickle the water back in over 10-15 minutes. Put a couple cups in gently, then wait and keep repeating. What you want to do is make it so they don't even know the water is being changed.

Also, what kind of water conditioner or detoxifiers are you using? Do you have bacterial starters?

And, do you have an idea as to how you could have ammonia and nitrite in any tank. Such things are seen in tanks that are cycling or have been compromised by either cycling or even overstocking. We need to understand it to battle it.

Last edited by Cory_Di at 27-Mar-2005 08:54

i think i may have seen a worm but i cant get the meds for a few days and i watched him, and he wants to eat, but he just blows it away he is so thin

ok,

Before W/C ammonia- .25 nitrIte-.5 nitrAte-20

After W/C ammonia-.5 (a little confused about this one)nitrIte-0 nitrAte- less than 20



and the platty, i have just noticed that the poo is clear like, grr not parasites
no flicking, inflaimed gills, red anus, worm.....

The thin fish do they do long stringy white poo, is there anus red and inflamed also can you see any worm prutruding from the anus, red inflamed gills can be a sign of gill flukes, heavy breathing and flicking and rubbing against objects, also can you post test results in ammonia,nitrite,nitrate,and ph.

Last edited by kitty163 at 26-Mar-2005 15:25

well they have getting peas, carrots, ect all week so far and i will do the water changes, and in the next post i will tell u the parameters for the before the w/c and after

OK Fishyhelper...

First get us your water parameters...

Next do a water change on your tanks...then I'd check the parameters again (30% on the adult tank and 50% on the fry tank)

For the guppy, she needs a dose of mushed green peas, just go buy a bag of frozen green peas, defrost a couple, and mush them between your fingers and feed them to the guppy, and anyone else also...

Check the temperature on the tanks and make sure they are fluctuating as this too can cause problems...

For not eating, I'd try some frozen brine shrimp, defrosted of course, see if they will take that...crumble up the food for everyone really small in a ziplock baggy...

Also if you are noticing fungus and all try treating them with both MelaFix and PimaFix, put together they do a wonderful jobbest of luck and let us know...heidi

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