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In the UK, they launched a programe called the Education Maintenance Allowance, which effectively pays people from low income backgrounds a wage for staying in post 16 education. I would like to see that extended, with post 16 child benefit being paid directly to the child who chooses to remain in post 16 education.
Young people are the future of the state, and it should be the state which supports them and enables them to grow via education and learning, not menial jobs with exploitative employers

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I like to think that whoever designed marine life was thinking of it as basically an entertainment medium. That would explain some of the things down there, some of the unearthly biological contraptions

I guess we should call this what it is, age discrimination. And yes you should provide them with an application if there are current job openings they might be eligable for. Not interviewing and not hiring solely based on age opens up the company to a lawsuit.

But those are all technicalities. HR departments discriminate on a daily basis.

Koi

Empty chairs at empty tables, the room silent, forlorn.

Could be. Many stores won't hire people below eighteen years of age, and I've never gotten a true reason as to why. They might just not want to hurt your feelings by saying they're not hiring.

Last edited by sirbooks at 23-May-2005 20:11

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And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."

because you cant get full hours untill your 18.

because you cant get full hours untill your 18.

that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I held two full time jobs (40 hours each) and a part time job (20 hours) (before I was 18) all at the same time.

I had no troubles at all getting full hours. I know something like 15 year olds and younger can't get as many hours...

Koi

Empty chairs at empty tables, the room silent, forlorn.

Alright I looked it up:

Child labor provisions under FLSA are designed to protect the educational opportunities of youth and prohibit their employment in jobs that are detrimental to their health and safety. FLSA restricts the hours that youth under 16 years of age can work and lists hazardous occupations too dangerous for young workers to perform.

As a general rule, the FLSA sets 14 years of age as the minimum age for employment, and limits the number of hours worked by minors under the age of 16.

The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) sets 14 as the minimum age for most non-agricultural work. However, at any age, youth may deliver newspapers; perform in radio, television, movie, or theatrical productions; work in businesses owned by their parents (except in mining, manufacturing or hazardous jobs); and perform babysitting or perform minor chores around a private home. Also, at any age, youth may be employed as homeworkers to gather evergreens and make evergreen wreaths.

wreath makers?

I am in accounting and often that is the same department as human resources; hence I have done a lot of hiring and firing.

If you are not employing in a hazardous job most places will always consider anyone 16 or older.

The reasons I RARELY ever hire anyone below the age of 18:

1. Cost of hiring/training. What is the point in hiring someone who could leave the company at any time. Kids are much, much more likely to quit on a whim, and with very little notice. You spend a lot of time and money training, and hope an employee will be there much longer than a few weeks to a month.

2. Dependability. The excuses are endless from bum transportation to being conveniently sick every Friday. What a joke. Everyone else seems to be able to make it to work mmmkay?

3. Experience. They often lack any necessary experience whatsoever and it is very few who have the initiative to learn and grow in a position.

4. Inter-personal skills. Lets face it, age gives more of a level-headed approach to problems and rude people. Younger workers are more likely to seriously upset a customer and mis-represent a corporation.

I am sure there is more but those are some of the big ones. Now don't get me wrong, there are definately adults just as guilty of all of those, BUT not the half as many. Adults are more interested in keeping our jobs because we need them to survive (provide for the family, roof over the head, eat etc). Flip side yes there are some very mature kids out there but those are very few and far between. Why take the risk? And that is a human resources perspective.

Empty chairs at empty tables, the room silent, forlorn.

sorry:

Fair Labor Standards Act:

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isn't it against the law for them *not* to give you an application if you ask for one???

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"That's the trouble with political jokes in this country... they get elected!" -- Dave Lippman

Many stores won't hire people below eighteen years of age

my lfs says that I can get a job there when im 14, but even then it'll only be cleaning tanks

Last edited by dude_dude at 24-May-2005 01:08

I dont think kids under the age of 18 should be working in any pet shop, tbh, unless it is selling dry goods only. I dont think 16 yr olds have the maturity and confidence to detect and ID someone who is underage and should not be purchasing animals.

I also dont think 16yr olds are up to dealing with the health and safety side of things.

In the UK, at least, the restrictions on employing someone under 18 in a pet shop are enough that most won't bother anyway, and tbh, I wouldnt shop in an lfs which did employ significant numbers of under 18's. Because I doubt that they have fulfilled their employer requirements if they do, and if they can't look after their staff, bet they dont look after their animals!




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I like to think that whoever designed marine life was thinking of it as basically an entertainment medium. That would explain some of the things down there, some of the unearthly biological contraptions

victimizati0n

If you think that hurts wait at the other end I was told at 52yld I was too old to teach my trade. I was also told I was too old to complete a Masters Degree with a special education topic age limit 26yld.

Dont worry it will happen sooner rather than later.

Keith

Near enough is not good enough, therefore good enough is not near enough, and only your best will do.
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Every time i go to my LFS, i ask if they are hiring, and they say they arent, because they are fairly new.

But almost every time i go there, there is a new guy there.. most of which dont seem to know much about fish.

Psst, and people can't find anyone bettter to sue than Burger King.

Actually, funny to mention age discrimination. I am really into that subject (alot). In fact, enough to do an essay on it for a local contest.

We can work it out

"Racist. Sexist. Anti-Christian. Anti-Muslim. Anti Semitic." How many times have you heard those words used? But, how often are people really discriminated against? After all, it is a crime to discriminate against people because of their race, sex, or religion. The truth is that now-a-days all people are treated fairly and are given the same rights by the government. We are all, without a doubt, equal. You would think that, wouldn’t you?

The truth is that we are not all equal. There are people, who are discriminated against every day, because of who they are. There is one part of society that will never have the same rights as everyone else. I’m talking about the children.

About two months ago, I went into a hardware store with my friends. They were looking for some supplies to use for a school project. As soon as we walked in, the man behind the counter immediately sent one of his employees to follow us around the store and make sure we didn’t steal anything. I was very annoyed at this, but I decided to not make a scene. After we had picked out the supplies we wanted, my friend went to the counter to pay for the materials. After he handed the owner a $20 bill, the cashier made a show of examining every part of the bill to see if it was a fake. After a few moments of staring at the money, he tossed it back to my friend and cursed at him. He said that we were using counterfeit money. I can tell you right now, that was a lie.

On Austin Street, friends and I were walking around. We had just gone to a few stores and we still had some time before we had to go home. We decided to walk up to the railroad station to look around. We were watching a building being built when we were stopped by a policeman. He wanted to know what we were doing and I told him we were looking at the buildings. At that, he started cursing at me and asked me if I thought he was stupid.

Last week, I was back on Austin Street. I had stopped into Rite Aid with my friend and we were looking at the key-chains. One of them said “try me”, so I pressed the button on it. The manager walked by and told me to stop messing around with his merchandise. He also used some profanity that I don’t want to repeat.

I am in the process of moving. Last month, while my mom was looking at apartments, she picked out several that she liked. However, in many cases only “working people” were allowed. Don’t be fooled. “Working people” is just a politically correct phrase that is used to discriminate against children. Because of it, and the people who believe in such practices, my family is not allowed to live where we want to. Imagine if there was a sign saying “no elderly”, or “no women”, or even “no blacks”. Do you think that the state would allow that? Now, then, why is it fair to discriminate against children? The answer is because we don’t vote. We have no power. We are dependant upon a government that does not care about us because we are weak.

Do you see a pattern here? You should. I am being picked on for being a teenager. I have committed no crimes other than being a kid. My question, which I want to ask you, the leaders of our community, is why do people hate children so much?

I understand that this essay is not only supposed to criticize the social structure that we live in. It is also supposed to provoke change. Therefore, I beg of you, listen to my advice and protect those who can not protect themselves. Show the same force you would protecting the rights of a black person, or that of a woman to protect children. Stop the stores from harassing teenagers. Fine the fancy buildings that are too good for your community’s children. Most of all, do something.

When you see a group of kids hanging out on a street corner, before you pass judgment on them as “hoodlums” or “punks”, ask yourself this question: where else do they have to go? The truth is that there is no where for us. There are no children’s centers, no safe parks, nothing. The last time I went to P.S. 144, I saw a dug addict light himself on fire. I never went back. You may say the community house is a place for kids, and that is true. The only problem is, that once you reach a certain age, you have no place in their after school program. What we need, is a community center, where teenagers can go and grow into healthy human beings. You see hoodlums on the street and you blame their parents. I see them and I blame the community.

I thank you for the time you have taken to read this essay. I hope that you can learn from what I am saying and help protect those who will be the future of your community, your country, and the leaders your world. So, to your list of racists, sexists, and Anti-Semitics, I add ageist. Martin Luther king fought for his people. Susan B Anthony fought for hers. Now, I am fighting for mine.

And on the job thing, I'm an expert on the working paper thing. Get the papers from your school, have them fill out a section, you fill out a section, and your parent(s) fill(s) out a section. Then you need a doctor's notice of health. Technically, at this point, you need to go to the Department of Health and get this all turned into one slip of paper called a working permit. However, some companies only require that the form is presented to get you a job.

Simple... ask for an application and tell them that you'd like them to keep you in mind for when they DO have openings. If they refuse based on age, then you have an issue. Unless they specifically tell you that you're too young, you don't have any grounds for a case.

~Meow. Thus spoke the cat.~

djtj, i experienced the same thing when i was a teenager. i think it has gotten much worse since i was a kid though, as i didn't have to live under curfews and such. but i could see people give me the evil eye when they saw me coming, even though i was doing nothing but walking down the street. there is just such a distrust of kids, especially teenagers, these days that i don't understand how people honestly expect you to be a well-balanced person when so many of them judge you before they even know who you are.

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"That's the trouble with political jokes in this country... they get elected!" -- Dave Lippman

Meh, dj does make good points. I guess I was pretty immune to it, because I was your ultimate goodie two shoes for the most part. After going to private religious grade school, my entry into junior high was something of a shock. And it took me years to catch up to the antics of my more contemporary schoolmates. Add to that the fact that I generally look more mature than I am, and I guess I got away without the "looks" that dj seems to suffer under.

Worst I get is the "you're a girl and don't know jack" type looks. Which sucks, because I'm my dad's official gofer when he's working on cars or projects... which means I'm continually running off to the auto parts stores or your friendly home improvement store. I hate the fact that people judge by the way you look or your sex or your age. That "oh she's just a girl" (not a woman of 24, but GIRL) look that I get is just so bloody annoying. I know what the heck I'm looking for, thank you, get out of my way with your "holier than thou" attitude. ]:|

~Meow. Thus spoke the cat.~

Yeah!

I look older than I am too, which isn't so good. People look at 13 year old kids walking around at 11 and don't think too much. Cops seem to have more of a problem with you when you look 16 or 17.

If I'm lucky, that article might get me an interview in the newspaper and $1000. I stress really really lucky

i was also pretty much a goody two shoes in high school, i looked older than i was, i was usually pretty happy and smiling (sometimes ) and yet people still gave me mean looks for daring to be in the same area as them some of the time i had a "weird" haircut and earrings, but even when i didn't have the hair and earrings i still got mean looks. ] people would refuse to sit next to me if i had an empty seat there, and all kinds of other problems.

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"That's the trouble with political jokes in this country... they get elected!" -- Dave Lippman

Umm......I'm 16 and I just got a job at my LFS. Really, all I did was ask him for a job and he gave it to me. I start Thursday.

I was told I could get job at LFS when 16 as tehn I would have insurance etc. I have a paper round for enxt 3 days so get a lil cash there