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Come on folks, let's not get into an argument here. I think that most of us agree in that hunting has its good points and its bad. Not everyone will agree with each other (of course), and debating is okay, but we don't want this to get ugly.

Personally, I think that it would be fun to go hunting, but not with all of this new technology. A rifle and patience would be all that I'd take.

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"Also, i dont eat dear, and i dont pay people to kill dear for me.

When i eat meat, it is from farms, where it ISNT wild. "

So what if it isnt "wild". The cow doesnt know it isnt in the wild. When you buy beef at the market, your funding the raising and eventual slaughter of an animal. Some farms are in horrible condition as well. The animals have little or no room to move and are not taken care of.(http://www.shameway.com/cowpigslaughter.html) By going to the supermarket and buying meat you are paying the guys who raise the cows and then kill and package them. Zebra is just cutting out the middle man.


To clarify: Im not a vegitarian. It just irks me when people act like eating beef from the ACME is completely different and more civilized then hunting your own food.

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ditto what gary said.

I have no inclination to go deer hunting, or any hunting for that matter. I've seen too many dead deer, moose, elk, pig, quail, pheasant etc etc these past months - and the people getting 8x10s of said animals shot and skinned to last me a very long time.

So no hunting here. Not unless it was out of pure necessity. I prefer shooting with a camera.

um.. who says that everyone that went hunting is going to acually EAT the deer?

Also, i dont eat dear, and i dont pay people to kill dear for me.

When i eat meat, it is from farms, where it ISNT wild.

Well, most farms aren't all that humane either, although some are.

And me personally, everyone that I know that hunts for deer, water fowl, whatever always eats what they get. I don't know any sport hunters.

i think hunting is sick.

I would only hunt if the deer was able to shoot me back.

Hunting is necessary in some places.

Overpopulation is just as sick as killing them. At least when you hunt them hundreds of deer don't slowly starve to death.

Personally I don't hunt, but I have no problem with it.

My g/f's brother and dad went last weekend, they got 3.

Which of you anti-hunters is vegatarian? If you are not, you pay others to kill your meat. In the eyes of the law, someone who pays for the killing is as guilty as the killer.

Just a thought, Mike

I haven't been hunting in many years. I used to go when I younger. I just don't have the time or the interest anymore.

Mousling,
The point is that hunters like hunting. We enjoy the outdoors the chase and even the culmination of the hunt. The kill is a part of the hunt. While there is definitely a rush and elation at a shot well made it isn't the death of the animal that brings satisfaction. Rather it is the proof that our strategy or perseverance or just plain smarts paid off. Many, not all, of those who are after antlers are hunting a particular animal that they've scouted and tracked to figure out it's habits and so be in a place where they are afforded a shot.

Many, if not all, states offer doe and cow permits to keep the population in check but their goal is not to wipe out the species but to manage the population for everyone to enjoy.

The bottom line though is if you eat meat, don't get on people for hunting. If you do not eat meat, fire away.

Carnivorous Mike

hey, i don't care if you hunt for meat - fine - go for it - i don't particularly like the taste of venison anyway - so i wouldn't be out there killing one.

I can understand the hunt for controlling populations. I'm all for that too - especially considering there isn't alot of natural predators out there (wolves, lynx, mountain lions etc) - you don't have the predators out there - the population can't be kept in check with more natural methods.

The hunting I don't like is the trophy hunting, which, since i live in the city, is the most common form it seems. Its a waste of a carcass. People go out there, kill an elk, chop off its head, skin the head for the skull and antlers, and then leave the carcass for the bears. Ok, the bears get food - but it is a detriment to them because they start to associate humans with food.

I can promise you if the deer were able to shoot back there wouldn't be a hunter in the woods.

--garyroland.

I'm not going to say that never happens but the vast majority of hunters are responsible people who take the meat and the antlers. There are laws prohibiting the waste of a game animal but as with all laws there are those who ignore them.

Mike

Wow... You've out smarted a deer... Here's a cookie.

WOW! How clever

Mike

who went deer hunting?

New rule:

If you don't have any personal experiences with deer hunting, then don't post. Simple as that.

Zebra didn't create this thread to start arguments.

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I'm not your neighbor, you Bakersfield trash.

Wouldn't it be rather more satisfying with a bow and arrow instead? Then you've really outsmarted the deer, not just outgunned it.

And my point wasn't that curbing overpopulation was the main reason for hunting, just that if you're hunting primarily bucks, saying that you're curbing overpopulation is about as fair an argument as you think "I hate hunting" is from someone
who eats meat.

I don't think we're arguing ... this is a pretty calm discussion actually. And who made you Mod?

Last edited by LittleMousling at 22-Nov-2004 06:40

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Ugh, deer Yes, very pretty but where I live in MD they are actually a nusiance. With the cooler fall weather they are out every night in large numbers, and I'm in the city, not out in the country.

Local article:

WASHINGTON - It happens every year: The leaves turn, the deer start moving and Jim Lizzio starts seeing two or three deer-related dents at his auto body shop in Prince George's County, Md.

"If you hit a deer you're going to have anywhere between about $1,500 and $3,000 in damage," he said. "If you hit them in the front there's going to be headlights, grilles, hoods, bumpers, everything. They do a lot of damage."

As deer become more active during a breeding season that runs from October to mid-December, they begin to cross roads more often, raising the risk that drivers will hit one, according to the Maryland Department of Natural Resources.

Thousands of deer-related accidents occur every year.

The Maryland State Highway Administration said police reported 1,490 "animal-related collisions" last year, while DNR said that as many as 3,849 deer were killed in crashes in 2003.

But with deer weighing anywhere from 50 to 250 pounds, according to DNR, any collision can ruin a motorist's day -- to say nothing of the deer and the vehicle.

Lizzio, who owns Glenn Dale Auto, said he sees damage caused by deer at least twice a week this time of year.

White Flint Collision Center in Rockville, Md., also sees two or three deer-related collisions per week, said office manager Ashley Fields. Damages average $1,500 to $2,000, she said, depending on deer physics.

"It all depends on how they hit it," Fields said. "Sometimes it takes out a lamp and the hood. Sometimes it rolls onto the top."

And drivers of SUVs and pickups need to be just as wary as sedan drivers, Fields said. The bigger vehicles will "hit it and they'll usually run it over," she said, adding that she saw a pickup truck with minimal damage from a deer, but it would not start.

"It (the deer) actually ripped the wiring harness out from underneath," she said. "Sometimes having it go underneath can be worse than it going over."

The most severe case she ever saw involved a Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible. The doomed deer rolled over the windshield and crushed the convertible top, causing $3,000 in damage.

In some areas of Maryland, such as along U.S. 50 on the Eastern Shore, highway signs are posted warning of deer season.

Doug Hotton, senior biologist for deer management with the Department of Natural Resources, has himself hit a deer, though it was a hit and run. The deer left the scene, leaving him with about $2,200 in damage

In order to minimize risk of hitting a deer, Hotton said, drivers should be cautious when driving just before dawn and just after dusk, the time when deer tend to move a lot. Deer frequently travel together, so one deer in the road could mean that others will try to cross as well, he said. Drivers should slow down whenever they spot a deer.

Deer-crossing signs by the side of the road indicate an area where the risk of a collision is greater, Hotton said, because the signs are installed in areas where road crews recover a lot of dead deer.

Finally, he said, drivers should brake hard to avoid hitting deer, but they should not swerve, as they may leave the road or enter oncoming traffic.

"You're better off to strike the deer than run off the road," said Sgt. Rob Moroney, spokesman for the Maryland State Police. "Our No. 1 concern is the people in the vehicles."

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We just had a rifle with no scope and he was about 50 yards away- so its kinda hard to shoot the deer right in the heart with no scope! we really didnt want him to suffer- we didnt even think we shot him until we saw the blood...

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The state determines the number of doe permits and sometimes you can't get one. Biologists determine how many animals should be harvested and issue tags accordingly. The population control argument is valid in that the state uses hunters to regulate the herds and we just go out and do our part. It's a tough job but somebody's got to do it.

Congats on the deer Zebra.

Mike

Yesterday morning me and my dad went deer hunting. it was so awesome. We had been there for about 3 hours when 2 deers came up and were walking toward us. my dad shot at them once and they both moved a few feet and looked at us again so my dad shot at them again and then they ran away. we went and looked at where they had been standing when my dad shot and we saw hair and then we say blood!!!! so me and my dad followed the blood trail for an hour or more!!! then when we got our in a open field we saw him- and then he fell to the ground. we werent sure if he was dead so we waited about 10 min. then walked up to him and sure enough he was dead!!!!! we thought he was a doe when we shot him but when we came up to him he was a button buck- he was little bitty nubs on his head . it was really great! so who else went deer hunting?
-kristin

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