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After having all the water problems caused by our water supplier. Also loosing too many good fish I think I tried everthing and finally the Geo Liquid.

After following their instructions and finally doing about a 40% water change water is perfect.

Here are the test results
PH 7
Hardness 100
Ammonia .1
Nitrate zero

I have also ordered four 3ins Clown Loaches when they arrive at the LFS they will not be going into their tanks at all I will pick them up as soon as they arrive. This will not stress them out too much.

I think I got a good price A $25 each.
In three weeks time the pictus will go into the tank.
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Hi Keith,
With an ammonia reading, that indicates that the tank has
not yet cycled. I hope that you have a true "0" ammonia
reading before they arrive.
Frank


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Nitrate zero

Plants will be hurting real bad. If allowed to remain this way bigger problems are around the corner Needs to be got back up to about 10ppm quickly.

Can't remember what this Geo flex was for but usually these kind of chems cause as many or more problems then they solve. Really they just substitue one issue for another.

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Geo liquid is totally natural. Geo is like an antivirus for water. The information book states that it contains "micro water sensors which automatticly adjust and stabilize all water conditions." The first time i used it the tank clouded up which means its working. Resulting in a crystal clear tank.I use it religously every second water change. Check it out @ [link=http://www.geo-flex.com/]http://www.geo-flex.com/" style="COLOR: #0000FF[/link] Have fun

Frank &amp; Bernard

It does not seem to matter what I do I even double dosed the prepared water with dechlorinator and let it sit for a week the stinking ammonia just is still there. One thing I noticed when I changed the water it was a bit milky but only noticable when you looked through the tank towards the opposite end 5ft away.

Also the ceramic airstone was giving off a lot of extremly fine air bubbles.

I can add another 6ins air stone if this will help.

If I change more water it could increase the problem.

For some reason I have been told not to add more than the prescribed amount of Biostarter at the water change.

I will take another test with me tomorrow before I pick up the fish.

Bernard as for the plants would this cause the new leaf growths to be deformed as this is what had happened.

At the moment the plants are on the move again and are looking very healthy.

I will not feed them for a few days this might help Y?N?

Thank you both for your help.

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Keith

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It does not seem to matter what I do I even double dosed the prepared water with dechlorinator and let it sit for a week the stinking ammonia just is still there.

Did you check is the water company using chloramine ? Some water companies use this at certain times of the year. It contains a lot of ammonia. No all water de-chors will remove chloramine. Did your usual de-chlor state that it also removes chloramine ? Just possibilities

The twisted leaves could be from either the GH dropping too low and a calcium shortage. The lack of nitrates will cause similar problems. No problem adding your usual fert, your problem at the moment would be too little nutrients .

I read the web site. I'm taking it with a very hefty pinch of salt. Seems to promise the earth the moon and the stars. Can't see how a s product can remove something then detect there's a shortage and add it back. Smells of snake oil to me. But then I'm a cynical old git.

Definately check out the chloramine or anything else your water company may be adding.

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Bernard &amp; Frank

I checked with the LFS this morning and the owner stated at this time of the year early spring they add a lot of things to the water.

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As you can see this several months old. Our local water board are totally hopeless it would take many hrs of phone calls to get to our local water dam where all the last minute treatment is added. Even if you did get to the correct dept the info would be outdated and useless.

I have just spoken to the importer and he suggested Kitty Litter to remove the Ammonia or Geo Liquid. He now makes his own called G Liquid. One think I can tell you being an importer of 10s of 1000s of fish he cannot afford to make mistakes.

The Ammonia count was Point1 not 1 does this make it better

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Hi Keith,
I cannot, for the life of me, picture why anyone would add
kitty litter to a tank to control ammonia! As a substitute
for a substrate, yes. But, not to control ammonia.
What kind of "cat fish" does he think you have?

Ben is right, if they are adding chloramine to the water
along with chlorine, then that would be a good reason for
the readings. We have our choice of several chemicals to
add to the tank with each water change that will remove
both the chloramine and chlorine at the same time.

"0" Nitrate would stunt the plant growth. We generally
try for a reading of 10 for nitrate in a planted tank.

Frank


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Hello Frank.

The Kitty Litter would be added via a pantyhose trouble is there are too many types of Kitty litter sold.

I have just re tested the Ammonia a big ZERO thank goodness that snake oil must work.

Speaking to another LFS owner who actually contacted the local water board (arrived two days later) and stated that the Nitrate was up a bit that is all they would admit to.

Have you seen the thread Re Water Quality Reports Call started when you read that you will know what I am up against.

Here is the weirdest thing in another thread in Cold Water I posted a topic Very Tough Aussie Gold Fish. This makes it more confusing as the daughter uses exactly the same water as I do and "Never" I repeat Never treats her water for those two Gold Fish yet they are as happy and healthy as ever.

Keith

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Hi Keith,
I'm responding here rather than privately because of the
kitty litter part of your post.
Kitty litter is crushed clay. Some of it contains additives
such as baking soda, and stuff to negate the ammonia odor
of cat urine. All of these additives are the worst thing
you can put in a tank and, indeed, can be toxic to the fish.

Having said that, many folks who cannot afford a tank of
Flourite or Onyx etc., for substrate do use UNSCENTED
kitty litter as a substrate. The correct way is to layer
the stuff. That is a layer of, say an inch and a half of
kitty litter is then capped by a layer (same thickness) of
regular aquarium gravel. Then the plants are planted in
the gravel layer and the roots grow into the clay layer.

Once kitty litter is wet, it forms a sopping wet mass of
clay that resembles a slug of clay on a potters wheel that
is ready to be shapped. That extremely cloudy, muddy water
run off is what you could have in your tank if you followed
his advice. To control that cloudy water as the clay broke
down into particles and oozed through the gaps in the
pantyhose fabric, you would need a Diatom Filter running
24/7.

Those who choose to use kitty litter as a layer in the tank
must always use caution when cleaning the gravel to never
puncture the gravel cap layer into the clay layer. Likewise
when pulling up plants, the plant roots bring the clay
particles up through the cap layer and into the tank
creating a cloudy muddy mess that can only be cleaned by
a Diatom Filter.

Frank


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off topic but keith if you take your cl home in the bag they wre trans ported in dont allow any of the water to go in your tank, wholesalers put small amounts of antibiotic and a sedative in the bags to help the fish arrive looking good ,

OH TOLEEDY!

Frank
I certainly did not use kitty litter. There are several types sold in Aust I know one is a clay base (we have cats) and it is a stinker and extremly difficult to clean up off the floor (cat scratch out) there are other types that clump up but are not a clay base.

Dan
With the transport water it never goes into my tanks. I remove some of the water float the bag/s and over a period of time I add a small amounts of tank water. This usually takes about one hour.

The water is then poured through a net and the fish are placed in the tank without any of the transport water ever entering my tanks.

Adding to it more.
The tank is now crystal clear from end to end. My distributer makes his own therefore I might be able to find out what is in this "snake oil"

All I know is it works.

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Keith

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