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Do water conditioners take out metals like Iron and the other nutrients I want my plants to be eating? If so, are there any that don't? I don't know if I should be concerned that my conditioner is taking out all my iron or not.

Thanks,

matt

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Before you can know what is being removed from water you have to know what's in it to start with...

I know of no water conditioner, except the household-type system, that removes iron.

If you're talking about the chloramine remover, there's no indication that the solution removes required plant nutrients.

--garyroland.

Yeah the chlorine-chloramine remover. Thanks Gary!

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

I was going to start a new thread, but it would have been the same topic. So I'll just post it here. Hope nobody cares.

Just out of curiousity, garyroland, what water conditioner do you use?

I've only ever used Stress Coat. But because that product contains aloe, I'd like to try something else that does not contain aloe. I've read about a lot of different conditioner online. But without reading the label, who knows what is actually in the bottle.
If anyone can post a brand of water conditioner, that they know for sure contains no aloe, please do so.

Wardley's - just straight sodium thiosulphate,

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Fortunately I have well water so the use of dechlorinators has never been an issue...

Any product designed solely to neutralize chloramines would be fine.

My opinion of aloe, a natural plant goo that can be used for burns and the like, is not at the top of the list for trop use.

There's no way I can bring myself to dosing a glue-like substance in the name of coating a fish for protection.

If I were a trop I'd hate the thought of circulating water through my system that contained the equivalent of hair tonic.

Who in their right mind would even believe aloe sticks to fish externally anyway??

--garyroland.

Since the question was asked....twice .

I use Aquarium pharmecuticals tap water conditioner
Removes chlorine and detoxifies heavy metals, breaks the chloramine bond. 1 drop per gallon.
Living where I do both chlorine and chloramine are used in our tap water.

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Water treatment plants have started treating tap water with chloramine instead of chlorine...

Chloramine is a combination of chlorine and ammonia. It's much more stable than chlorine. It won't dissipate from the water as easily, and it isn't as likely to combine with other chemicals.

But, chloramine isn't as good at killing off the microorganisms in the water as chlorine, so higher levels of chloramine are often used. Typically, water treatment plants use about 1 ppm of chloramine.

Again..."Chloramine" is chlorine and ammonia combined to form one chemical. Any product designed to eliminate "chloramine" will work.

--garyroland.

The "detoxifies heavy metals" is what I was worried about. I would think that iron(maiden) is a heavy metal(band), am I wrong? Would this not take the iron out of solution? I'm not really worried about chlorine/chloramine, I've already got that under control. I just want my plants to get their iron.

Last edited by mattyboombatty at 11-Nov-2004 15:01

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Unless you live next to a scrap yard, there's absolutely no purpose in dosing a product that removes "heavy" metal...

If there's a solution that removes "heavy metal" bands...point me to it, please.

--garyroland.

I don't know if that's a yes or no, so.....

Well lets say hypothetically that "someone" bought a product that "detoxifies heavy metals." Would this hypothetically remove Iron, needs be or not?

Here's your choice of answer:

a) Yes, it will remove Iron
b) No, it will not


Solution that removes heavy metal bands....needs it's conjugate base....boy bands.

Last edited by mattyboombatty at 11-Nov-2004 17:12

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

It's a yes if you're in the market to "detox" something that's probably not there...

Just plain old chloramine remover without the "heavy metal" additive will allow the iron to be absorbed by your plants, if indeed the iron is present.

--garyroland.

Last edited by garyroland at 11-Nov-2004 19:29

Thank you Gary.

Actually I'm in the market to not detoxify iron. And I know it's there, because I put it there, but now I know it's really not there, because my dechlor is actually taking out my iron. If that made any sense at all:%).

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

If you're using the solution that Babs is dosing, then for sure the iron is being converted along with any other heavy metal it can find.

We have a real gullible problem with manufacturers telling us to dose every known concoction to "help" our trops.

If we dumped all this chemical junk in their natural waters there wouldn't be any natural trops left to see.

--garyroland.

Not the exact "concotion", but one similar in that it removes heavy metals. I didn't think that I had a heavy metal problem when I bought the stuff, I just didn't pay any attention, and it was the cheapest one (you all should know how cheap I am by now, by necessity). So now I know why my plants are showing Iron and Mg deficiency. And I'll be off the the lfs before the next water change for some dechlor that doesn't have an affinity for hard rock...I mean heavy metal(s).

you would think that I'd be tired of the "heavy metal" jokes....but I just have a love for corny jokes (which you should also know by now).

Last edited by mattyboombatty at 11-Nov-2004 23:36

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Asking questions is a sure sign of intelligence and a willingness to learn...

Good for you.

--garyroland.