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Well my view on this subject is different. IMO the yoyo loaches are very good looking and active, but are a bit aggressive. Zebra loaches are cool too, but have only owned 1, so not sure how they act in a group.Angels are great for a 55. Kissing Goramis get way too big and sounds like you are half way there already. I'm the same way with the Clown loaches(must have). Suggestion: do the angels and the clowns and lose the gouramis. Clown loaches will do fine in your 55 gal for years. Just puchase at a smaller size and go for 4. If you are like most hobbists you will own that larger tank eventually(for the Clowns). My current stock of my 55 is 2 Angels,5 Clowns,8 Red eye tetras,1 Royal plec,1 L-264 plec,and 1 Albino gibbiceps. The Gibby will go to my 120gal in about 3 months, but I don't expect to move my Clowns(2.5-4" for about 18 months or so. If you never get that big tank you can always give them to a GOOD petstore or cheap on Aquabid. 4"-6" Clowns are very desireable in this hobby. Good filtration,Good maintanence,and Good luck

I found the list. I have posted it in the general section here

http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/forums/General%20Freshwater/56072.html?200503081857


Looks like most of the fish I want aren't on this list.

No he didn't he wasn't that helpful tho.

I left my card and a list of some fish that I wanted them to get in and I didn't heard from them so I rang them to find out.

He jsut said to try the NOC list for Australia. I am unsure on what this is but I would guess it is a list of the fish that aren't allowed.

He did say tho I could try the black market in Australia.

WOW a tropical fish black market!

Oh thats a shame did he say why they are not allowed in Aus?

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Well I have been told that Zebra and Yoyo's aren't allowed inot Australia. Unless I find someone on the black market who has them.

He said that they can get a weathered loach. Does anyone know where I can find a picture of these?

back to your question about whether or not they will grow to there full size in your tank. when you place large growing fish in a small tank and expect them not to grow you are attempting to stunt them. not only is this bad for the fish healtwise, i beleive there skelton outgrows their body, it is also the wrong choice to make. it is not fare to the fish to be cramped up in a small space when they grow to that size. the only reason people are suggesting clow loaches is that it takes years for them to reach their full size. trade the gourami's in and try to research your purchases in the future.

chris

I haven't found out yet but will tomorrow.

So why would these fish be not available in Australia for???

Oh thats a shame they are really cool loaches.

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Sorry to spoil is Rast, but I hear that Yoyo's are NONO's in Australia.
Please let me know if this is not correct as they look reaaly cool to me

Thanks for the help guys and girls.

I am going to check with the LFS to see what they can get in for me and how much.

I kept my 2 Yoyos with 2 Clowns before and they were fine. I also have recently kept my 1 Zebra with my 5 Clowns for about 2 weeks(temp for the Zebra) with no probs also. I may put him back in after I move the Gibby.

Well I know that the yoyo's and the zebras go well coz I have both of them but not sure about the clowns perhaps someone else can help you with that one.

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That is true. Big Clown loaches are always wanted. I guess they will sell for more as well. SO could always buy 6 or so and grow them up and then sell them to others who want big ones and then buy smaller ones and start all over again.

But will it be OK to get maybe 4 clowns and maybe 2 yoyo ones or 2 zebra ones or should I just go one lot?

I don't find the yoyo's aggressive at all. They are very active though. They tend to look a bit dull when small but as they get bigger they are pretty. Stallion81 is right though if you really want the clowns go for them coz like he says you most likely will get a bigger tank given time (we all do eventually) and even if you don't well once they get to big you can always find some one with a bigger tank that would love to house them for you.

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Will I be able to put A pair of angel fish with 3 kissing gouramis and some clown loaches???


Also the Angel fish will eat little fish like neons and guppies? will then eat their babies as well? (Guppy babies that is?)

These will be going into a 4 foot tank.

Oh ok then. Might have a look about. Do you have any pictures of them???


I just looked at the profile. Looks pretty plain tho. But like the look of the Zebra loach. Can I mix them up or can I just have the one type?? Maybe 2 clowns and 4 zebra's???

Or 3 lots of 2???

Last edited by RAST at 03-Mar-2005 16:29

can you order the loaches? I also liked the clown loaches and wanted them but like you at the time my tank was not really the right size for them so some one suggested the Pakistani loach to me I to was not sure coz I liked the clowns but I can tell you I have not once regretted getting the Pakistanis they are great and just as nice looking as the clowns see if you can get them ordered in I bet you would not regret it like me.

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I am not sure if I can get other loaches round here.

I really like the clown loaches.

Yes I only have the 3 Kisses and a few bristlenoses but will be getting more of them.

For that size tank why don't you get Pakistani loaches also known as yoyo loaches instead of clown loaches. They only grown to around 4 inches compared to the clown loaches 12 inches. Or you could get the candy loach also known as the zebra loach they grow to around 3 inches both these loaches have loads of personality and are great fun to watch I have both. I would recommend you consider those rather than the clown.

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Is your current stock only 3 kissing gouramis?

Gee

Gee

!!I think I just learned somthing new!!