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First of all, CONGRATS!!! That is great, especially since you only had them one week. Same thing happened with my angels. You are lucky to have a pair "right off the bat."

That is one heck of a lot of eggs.

Now, if I read the rest of this properly, am I reading that TWO FEMALES can lay eggs together???? Or does it mean a male may fertilize eggs by two females at same time.

Please clarify.

Updat: i woke up this morning and the eggs were gone .. i'm guessing during the night they hatched but were eaten.. this batch was just a test for the parents and myself.. so i noe next time when this happens i will incubate them.. tahnks for the help guys!! and i will keep u up dated

r0b3y

Last edited by r0b3y at 10-Mar-2005 14:55

Those are fertile eggs. They should hatch into wigglers very soon, like late today or tomorrow. If the parents don't eat them you'll need to get a Brine Shrimp hatchery going so you'll have something to feed them once the are free swimming (5days after they hatch).

Have fun, Mike

here is day 2!!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/atozzi/fish/angels%20fry1%20day%202.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/atozzi/fish/angels%20fry2%20day%202.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/atozzi/fish/angels%20fry3%20day%202.jpg

The white eggs are unfertilized. The clear, translucent eggs are fertile. If you've only got 15 white ones you're doing good.

Congrats, Mike

You could remove them but I'd give these guys a chance to raise them. If they eat them they'll spawn again in 10 days - 2 weeks.

Last edited by Mike R at 09-Mar-2005 23:20

UPDATE: most eggs have gone clear except maybe 15 are a nice white colour.. i'm guessing they are the fertalised eggs?.. i have been watching the pair for about 10 minutes and have noticed the gold angel is getting a tad agressive to the zebra?? should i remove the eggs and incubate them in my 2ft tank?

r0b3y

so its highly possible i have a successful male female pair??
i am at school at the moment .. and will take some more pictures when i get home.. to show the day to day progress..

r0b3y

I dunno rasc, back in my angel days, I spent many an hour conferring with the Dr. H. Limm (he's known more for his work with discus, I believe), who is actually a family friend. I do know my angels. Also, from more than five years of breeding (not to mention having raised them for nearly my entire life), yielding more spawns than I can count (I was, prior to my departure from the cichlid breeding stage, quite close to developing a full black strain), I've gotten pretty good at sexing them, call it intuition, if you will. Or, call it the fact that, as previously stated, the pear shaped reproductory pap. is absent from the proposed "male", which is a fairly accurate way of determining sex (to make sure it's not just a potbelly, one can shine a light through the fish in question). Many breeders have observed this organ to swell during a spawning even in non egg bearing females. Also, without a male, spawning females are usually seen being actively pursued by conspecifics, feeding on the eggs as they are released from the pap. I am quite aware that either parent can take the role of guardsmith (in fact, according to most people, they tend to "take turns" ), but I personally have never observed my females doing any of the guardwork. Btw, unferts go translucent within the hour; opaque within four. Six hours without any whiteage is far beyond excessive. It's possible, as I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely

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Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 09-Mar-2005 21:02

If possible, remove the Pearl Gourami. I think it's better.



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I believe that it means when there are two females together, they may both lay eggs but they will be unfertilized. Sometimes the drive to reproduce is strong enough that females can lay eggs without any males around for fertilization.

okay for the last 2 days my 2 angels have been constently wipeing my largest leaf on my anumbias plant.. what are they doing?? they are like wipeing their mouth on it.. both of them.. and only leave it to eat of if my gourami passes by..
i have only had them for almost a week..
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r0b3y

Last edited by r0b3y at 09-Mar-2005 06:02

Last edited by r0b3y at 09-Mar-2005 16:20

hey thanks for the info guys..
fishyhelper288: i didnt know i had a pair.. these angels were sold back to the lfs i work at from a customer who had a small tank.. i saw them in the shop and they seemd to pair off nicely so i gave them a shot..
i would say its luck

jasonpisani: nope i have 1 pearl gourami, 4 panda cories in the tank.. the pearl gourami is the only concern as the angels chase him when he gets near. should i remove them??

Racso: i'll try tank a good picture of both of them to determine sex.. i saw the zebra laying the eggs.. but didnt watch it for long as i had to go to work. the other angel does have another tube coming out.. but i dont think its longer and thinner.. is it possible for 2 females??

Cup_of_Lifenoodles: i'm confused with sexing them.. lol the eggs are well fertalised and are still a white colour..

cheers!!

Yes cup, more eggs doesn't always mean 2 females, but with such a large number of eggs, it is something to double check. Also, bad eggs can last a while before going bad.

From the one picture of the male, you cannot really determine its sex.

In my spawns, my pairs have shared tending the eggs and protection the area. At my store, we had a pair spawn in a display tank, and suprisingly, the male tended to the eggs and the female did the guarding. I thought I was mixed up with my sexing for a minute before I talked to a coworker who has an angelfish breeding setup at home, and who acctually supplies our store with angelfish, and told me I was right, the male was tending and female guarding.

Doubt it. I've never heard of this "more eggs=no male" rule. If anything, you'd think nature would make sure it'd be the other way around.

Also, between the six hours that he noticed the eggs and when he took the pictures the eggs have remained colorless. IME, unfertilized eggs go bad fast. Plus, there is no bulge in the anal area of the male, whereas females usually have the pear shaped pap.

Furthermore, in ALL of my spawns, the mother tends to fan while the father runs around chasing away tankmates.

Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 09-Mar-2005 10:52

You may have two females there. The gold angel is a female, I saw that from the pics, her spawning tube was still out.

However the male was away and I could not see his. You have a LOT of eggs, which is a classic sign of two females. If the male had the same tube coming out of the bottom of it, it is a female, if it had a longer but thinner tube, then it is indeed a male.

Good luck

~Jorge

Congrats. You've got alot of eggs there. Are the Angels on their own in the tank?.




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holy crap thats alot of eggs (contemplating turning the 29 into a angelbreeding tank now) did u know u got a pair? or was it just luck u picked them both out?

okay so she has finishd laying the eggs.. here are some pics..
the zebra is the female and the gold is the male.. their babies will be golden zebra angels lol
http://members.optusnet.com.au/atozzi/fish/angels%20fry.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/atozzi/fish/angels%20fry2.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/atozzi/fish/angels%20fry3.jpg

OMG.. so they just layed eggs.. i know they probly wont be succesful with it this time round.. but wat should i do so i know in future???

i'm soo excited!!