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This topic is slow so thought i would get it moveing.

Lately ive found a itch for Apistos and have taken a liken for Cacatuoides. im told i cant have any more tank from the higher up so ive been juggle the thought of placeing a pair in my 75g. with such things as Yoyo loaches, cories, 7 inch pleco and a angelfish what do you think the chance are of a few wiggler makeing it?

I'd say if they were at least 1/2" to 3/4" long they'd be fine, but wrigglers would probably get gobbled up by either the cories or the loaches.

really? i figured the angel for a wriggler eater and the loaches/cories as nest robbers. alot of predators in the tank and i havent a clue how i can make sure a dozen or so survive. i mean i could go with a divider or somethign to that effect but that would take from the tank a ton and also be very complicated with plants and wood all over.

the angels would probably gobble them up too, but I figure the loaches would get to them first.

Jason do you happen to know any breeders for triple reds? ive just finished changing my substrate over and will be adding plants soon as i find some. guess its time to start shopping for cacs

wiggler?? as in the under water bug that people use for fishing?

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Wigglers = newly hatched fry that are not freeswimming yet, just "wiggling".

I'm not sure this adds much, but I had a pair of kribs that spawned in a large planted tank with large clown loaches and siamese algae eaters plus large angels. The kribs had all fish in terror when they paraded the fry out. I netted out all but the 12 fry I could not catch and they raised those to sellable size (1.25 inch) with no troubles at all. Although apistos are a bit smaller, I would imagine they might fare about the same. I've been told that an apisto can stand down a full grown discus so... I think it could be possible, given enough covers (plants, small caves just large enough for the apistos and not the loaches).

When you make the caves for the cacs, just make the entry small big enough for the cacs to be able to swim inside, and small enough to stop other fish from swimming in. In any case, once a female will inhabit a cave as her territory, she will alter (or at least try to) the cave to suit her. It's quite amusing watching females moving gravel around.

In any case, for the first few days of their lives the wigglers won't leave the cave and the mother will guard it fiercely from other fish. A fish that won't get the message might be killed, even if it's the father. The best thing, therefore, is to place the caves in the back corners of the tank where it is less likely for fish to pass by. Anyway, in my experience, other fish learn very quickly not to mess with the nasty creature which is the cacatuoides female.

My cacs are able to protect the eggs and wrigglers from anything including a dozen cories. Once the fry are free swimming the angles will probably get them tho. I've found angles to be suprisingly good predators. A HEAP of java moss MAY enable a few to survive.

A temporary glass divider for the first few weeks would be enough to get the fry big enough to survive the angles as they grow fasst and angles have small mouths I've done this before in a tank with cacs and angles and it worked well.

Dean