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flower horn arnt too bad.. some nice ones out there

Little swimmer, sorry, but I was thinking of this topic in a different way...

I'm regarding the posts saying "Don't like em! " and such. This wasnt the first post like this..

I didnt quite read the topic fully either, but after skimming through it I did see some.."negative" comments.

InkoDinkoMalinko
The reason I have replied to this post is because bettahex asked

so let me get this straight...

Flowerhorns are crossbreeds?

How can ppl keep fish when they dont even know about them. For some one who has been around as long as you have doesnt a question like this bother you?
And for some ppl, it does matter what other ppl's opinion's are.

Josh

Honestly speaking, theres no point of this thread. I really dont see how keeping or owning a fish would have to do with anyone elses opinion...

Its just like creating a topic of "what do you think about cichlids"..

hybrids are trouble. as stated a pure trimac is nearly impossible to find now days. yes discus are hybrids to but you can still get pure
These fish are quiet nice to look at but that doesnt make them right.
this is from another site

Two species make up the Discus group, S. discus and S. aequifaciatus . There are two sub-species of the first; S. discus discus and S. discus willischwartzi , and three sub-species of the latter; S. aequifaciatus aequifaciatus , S. aequifaciatus axelrodi , and S. aequifaciatus haraldi .

My understanding of that is that discus are crosses of two different species. that make them a hybrid.
I am not a fan of hybrids. To all the people who have kept them espically the flowerhorn and the blood parrot and say they are the bomb, try keeping some of the fish that these hybrids are bred from. not only will they act the same but it will better for the hobby in the long run

Josh

Flowerhorns are the greatest fish in the world!!

Don't like em!

90% of dogs are hybrids and then once u hav 2 off them you and they breed thats how you get a ew species of dogs

All domestic dogs are one species, canis lupus. There are hundreds of different breeds, but only one species. Another example would be with goldfish, they've been selectively bred, not hybridised.

... flower horns are no longer hybrids because when u breed 2 flower horns they are not hurbids anymore

They would just be second generation bred hybrids, not a different species.

discus are hybrids u gusy should get over the how u feel sorry for hybrids its just like breeding out of hte family...

As stated before, all the 'species' of discus are just varients. They have different colours because of the different habitats they live in.

discus are hybrids u gusy should get over the how u feel sorry for hybrids its just like breeding out of hte family... 90% of dogs are hybrids and then once u hav 2 off them you and they breed thats how you get a ew species of dogs... flower horns are no longer hybrids because when u breed 2 flower horns they are not hurbids anymore... i bet if u do enough research there are alot more fish which naturally cross bread to make the fish we have today

They sound like they should look pretty nice

Flowerhorns have many different varieties... mine has cross-bred with my red terror and spawned fry... they look really cool because thte have the bars that go down them with the flowerhorn markings

Flower horns are the bomb!! my roomate has three and i have a huge one. He attacked my hand when i did a water change yesterday

I was wondering what everyones opinion is on this fish.

I doubt there are any asian cichlids used to cross with flowerhorns because the only asian cichlids I'm aware of are chromides. there are a few different species of chromides, but I doubt any have been used to cross with flowerhorns. there are several species speculated to be involved with different varieties of flowerhorns such as the trimac which has already been mentioned, along with midas, red devils, true red terrors, texas cichlids and a couple different Paratheraps species like synspilum and bifasciatus. there's no real way of knowing for sure which species have been involved, but the ones I've mentioned have been speculated to have been used in the creation of flowerhorns.

As for discus, I was under the impression they were all the same species with several different color morphs. same is true with angels. while there are different species of angels, there are also many different variants of the species Pterophyllum scalare...the common angel. For the record, I'm not much of a fan of either of these fish. Just a personal preference thing. I'd buy a flowerhorn before discus or angels.

Jason

Well, the most known is Parapetenia trimaculata crossed with a Amphilophus species. They then back cross with other Amphilophus species to get the solid colors and head form, etc... However, I was talking to a guy in Dallas once and he said there is also a Asia cichlid, not sold abroad that is also used, though I do not know its name. The desired look is the large frontal lobe and the flowering pattern on those with it, hence the name Flowerhorn. Because of the crosses the fish sizes are vast from a adult fish that is 4~5" to a monster over 12". They may even look the same, just a giant/miniture of the other.

which cichlids are hybridized to create a flowerhorn?

What do you think Discus are crossed with? There has always been controversy that all sub species of discus are the same and that their colors are mutated because of environment, water chemistry,etc... They are still discus but selective breeding and colors have been placed together to create the different varieties. In the case of the Flowerhorns, it is the breeding of 2 different species of fish, yet granted they are cichlids, however they may not have the same body type, size or scale type. In most cases the F1 males are infertile. It takes like an F4 for the males to be fertile. F1 females are however usually fertile. So in aspect of fish there may not be a true Mule that can not reproduce ever.

Jason i was wondering what you think of discus, because they are a hybrid fish themselves, unless you buy those dull brown ones, do you like them or are you going to make an exception to discus

Prices are all over for them as well, however at a PetSmart in Columbus, Ohio they have them for $9.00 u.s. dollars...they are about 2~2.5 " (50~65mm). This is even cheaper than all the Aquabid guys!!! I have a friend that also works at a lfs that told a seller to beat it because they did not want to carry them, they don't carry Parrots either though. I think the market is going to crash on them personally, then maybe the pure breeds will come back. I do think they are an interesting fish with lots of personality.

True jason i have a pure male trimac and tryed to get a female for him and the fish shop tryed to sell me a look alike.