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wolf cichlid- P. dovii

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just found this finding pics of the puffer's teeth can be difficult, but click on that link and look at the 3rd pic down and you'll get an idea of what a puffer's teeth look like. keep in mind, these are fused into their jaws and have the power to bit a fiddler crab in half with ease. they don't rip other fish apart like pirhanas and barracudas...they bite fish in half.

Jason

Yeah, I saw the green terror there. It looked pretty mean. I agree, the green terror is a pretty mean fish.

hmmm....i think the green terror is the meanist. My lfs had one and it grew fast and killed all the other fish in the tank including a red devil

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Jack dempseys are wimps compared to most guapotes and other more highly aggressive species such as:

N. haitiensis (Black Nasty)
N. beani (Green Guapote)
N. tetracanthus (Cuban Cichlid)
P. dovii (Wolf Cichlid)
P. managuense (Jaguar)
P. motaguense (Red Tiger)
C. umbriferum (Blue Freckled Monster)
A. festae (Red Terror)
A. zaliosum (3rd species of the "Red Devil Complex"
A. citrinellum (Midas)
A. labiatum (Red Devil)
A. trimaculatum (Trimac or 3-Spot Cichlid)
V. argentea (Argentean Cichlid--I've read recently that these and some other Vieja species can be down right nasty)

Jason

I would have to say the red Devil or Jack dempsey.:88):88)

there are very few, if any, fish that could stand up to a Fahaka or Arrowhead puffer. I'd say the fahaka is worse only because it grows to ~18" whereas the arrowhead only grows to ~6".

However, seeing as this is in Cichlid Central, it's really hard to say what is the meanest. This usually depends on the personality of the individual fish, but I'd have to say top dog would probably be the Wolf Cichlid--P. dovii.

Jason

Which fish do you think is the meanest and nastiest fish ever That is Freshwater?]:|]:|]:|

The most bad fish in fresh water would have to be the Electric Catfish. A fish that can grow to 1m long and generate a 400 volt puntch. One fish not to be messed with fahakas are nothen compared to this bad boy.

Fahaka puffer will kick your ***

Fahaka puffer please Id say the most aggressive is the Affrican Pike Charcin would rip it to shreds.even a red tail cat fish cant stand up to its power. The most aggressive cichlid however i believe is the flowerhorn or JD

FRESHWATER BARRACUDA IS THE NASTIES IT WOULD RIP THAT FAHAKA PUFFER APART BEFORE IT EVEN GOT A SHOT AT IT

in which case the barracuda would be dead...tetraodotoxin in the puffer's flesh incidentally, an arrowhead would start taking chunks out of the barracuda before the 'cuda knew the puff was around.

have you ever seen the teeth of these puffers?

incidentally, we're talking about "meanest/most aggressive fish". I will admit I know next to nothing about fw barracudas, but I know most people mistake pirhana's for being evil, mean fish. they're not...they're just hungry. a school of pirhana's will kill anything if they are hungry, but if they're not chances are they'll leave other fish alone.

now, here is a story of an arrowhead puffer originally told by Pufferpunk--she is a member of this site. She went to an lfs to buy an arrowhead puffer. there were 2 at the lfs, and both were in separate bags floating in the same tank. one of the arrowheads ate through the bag it was in, then ate through the other bag simply to kill the other puffer.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but these puffers aren't very common, and I can tell you it's difficult to understand what they are capable of without seeing them first hand. I have, however, seen fw barracudas, exodons and pirhanas and I would say an arrowhead could take them out no problem.

just my $0.02

Jason

FRESHWATER BARRACUDA IS THE NASTIES IT WOULD RIP THAT FAHAKA PUFFER APART BEFORE IT EVEN GOT A SHOT AT IT. HA!


LOOOK AT THEIR TEETH!]:|]:|]:|]]

I gotta say it depends on the individual fish and not the species (obviously some species are more aggressive than others).
But I have one red devil that is psychotic - the fish has been insane since he was very small. I had him when he was a baby with an oscar that was more than 2x its size - I put them in the tank hoping that the oscar will not eat this little guy - 20 min later I come to find the Oscar pecked to death.
This fish also bites me on a regular basis. If I open the lid to the tank, I have to make sure the fish is in a net - because it will jump out of the aquarium to bite me.

most pirhanas aren't mean...they're just hungry. many people mistake red bellied pirhanas as being highly aggressive fish when they're actually not. I've seen huge display tanks at a public aquarium with pirhanas, oscars, catfish and such. the pirhanas school by themselves and don't bother the rest of the fish.

Jason

angle fish. my big one is after killing my grouamie and my bala shark.

Convicts are not that mean only when they are protecting there young. i would go with the FRESHWATER BARRACUDA OR THE PIRAHNA.

Neon tetras, some joke]

No even better feeder guppies are the meanest! ]]]

I have seen a couple of pics of fahakas buried, but I don't think the behavior is as common in fahakas as it is in arrowheads and congos. I definitely don't think they have the ability to change colors as drastically as arrowheads and especially congos, but I could be wrong.

I've had many people come to look at my tanks, and when we get to the arrowhead tanks I usually have to point out the puffer or put food in the tank...otherwise they can be very difficult to see.

Jason

Didn't some guy post pictures of his fahaka, and one of them was his fahaka was buried under the sand?

I heard that those puffers can be a bit crazy. But I have no experience with them and do not know their full rage so I would go with either convicts or maybe a Green/Red Terror.

Fahaka puffer please Id say the most aggressive is the Affrican Pike Charcin would rip it to shreds

If that were to happen, you could say goodbye to those African Pike Characins. Puffer flesh is poisonous and will cause death.

That's the one edge I'll give arrowhead and congo puffers over fahaka's...the ability to bury themselves and blend in to the environment. One of these guys could take out any other fish, and the other fish wouldn't know the puffer was around until it was too late.

Jason

I saw this dwarf puffer chasing two clown loaches
...puffers

MELANOCHROMIS AURATUS(male)

these buggers are nasty for their size, and tenacious.

he was a dominantly a deep purple when calm. When he was excited(often) he would turn an evil whitish color. I admit, he won't have a chance against a puffer beak, but, cichlid against cichlid, ounce for ounce, I stick with this guy.

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neon tetras

you funny guy, you think you are a funny guy

neon tetras are bested by corydoras

Probably the only thing able to kill a Fahaka would be either another Fahaka or a fish that can give out electric shocks. The only other thing I would think of would be something like a Chaca Chaca and they supposedly have such a quick digestive system they would get the poison into them.

Actually, FW barracudas can be big wusses just like piranhas from experiences I have read with these fish.

However, if we're talking about Payara, also sometimes known as a FW barracuda...



One of these dudes would tear a Fahaka right up. Now about the Payara living afterwords I can't say, but many fish do possess an ability to vomit up something disagreeable.

I'm tempted to say Bull Shark, because they are found in freshwater systems, but I bet they don't count.[/font]

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I am glad we finally agreed that my Red Devil is the meanest fish

*edit-please watch the language Substituting symbols for letters to avoid the language filter still counts as profanity.

[span class="edited"][Edited by jason_r_s 2004-05-05 23:15][/span]

neon tetras are the meanist.lol

HOLY MACROL! That thing is fierce! Nice pic! I THink it is settled that that fish is the meanest. BUT WOULDNT IT BE POISENED BY THE FAHAKA?

I THink it is settled that that fish is the meanest. BUT WOULDNT IT BE POISENED BY THE FAHAKA?

Yes, it would be poisoned by the fahaka. I believe only other puffers are immune to tetraodotoxin...at least that's what I've heard.

Jason

tiger barbs - lol

The Amazon Nut...

I think a Chaca chaca would be able to eat a Fahaka as the Chaca chaca is thought to release acidic juices from its stomach into the water and make the water unable to live in and this makes me believe that it could eat more or less anything and I believe the Chaca chaca would eat the Fahaka before the poison takes effect.

I just read a story on a breeding pair of Neets. I think I might have to go with them as some of the nastiest fish around (at least when breeding).

As for the whole puffer thing, I wouldn't argue the puffers win by default due to poison. I think the question is just towards what fish is the most aggressive. You know, which would kill the other first type of thing. Poison, as a defensive mechanism, wouldn't count towards aggressiveness.

Mike

As for the whole puffer thing, I wouldn't argue the puffers win by default due to poison. I think the question is just towards what fish is the most aggressive. You know, which would kill the other first type of thing. Poison, as a defensive mechanism, wouldn't count towards aggressiveness.

Who said that? That's definitely not what I was trying to say, so if any of my replies were misinterpreted I apologize. The 2 puffers I've been talking about, the Arrowhead and the Fahaka, are known for requiring a tank to themselves for fear of killing anything that is added to the tank. The poison is just a nasty side effect should a large enough fish come along that is able to eat one of these puffers. While a lot of the fish posted definitely look mean, that doesn't mean the are the "nastiest fish around". Pirhanas look mean but typically aren't.

Jason

CHANNA OREINTALIS AKA GREEN SNAKEHEAD i would love to owne one however they are illegal in the state of oregon.NASTY

I would have to say snakeheads those things look really nasty,and their ability to live on land and move to other water sources makes them really bad.

I believe they can't actually move too far when out of water and the stories are usually exagerrated

BULL SHARK been known to swim 20 mile up rivers AND EAT PEOPLE, Fresh water Dolphins would probably open a can on what ever it wanted as well

Bull sharks are brakish and dolphins are mamals, sorry you would be right other wise
The electric cat is still the badest out there. How does being able to live on land make snake heads aggressive
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I forgot to say that the reason Bull Sharks are so aggressive is because they have the most testoserone of any animal land or sea. Just a useless fact ahhh im full of them

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hey jimmy could you tell me some useless facts???????

Didn't some guy post pictures of his fahaka, and one of them was his fahaka was buried under the sand?

a snakehead is no match for a fahaka puffer. the only advantage the snakehead would have is the ability to jump out of the water and retreat. the fahaka's teeth would destroy any freshwater fish. fahaka's (as well as most other puffers) can bite a crayfish in half with ease. my arrowheads eat whole crayfish in 10 seconds or less. mbu puffers actually get about a foot longer than fahaka's, but I believe usually the fahakas are much more aggressive. it is very uncommon to be able to keep anything with a fahaka puffer...even in the largest of tanks.

Jason

Fahaka puffer please Id say the most aggressive is the Affrican Pike Charcin would rip it to shreds.even a red tail cat fish cant stand up to its power. The most aggressive cichlid however i believe is the flowerhorn or JD

Fahaka puffer will kick your ***

neon tetras

you funny guy, you think you are a funny guy

neon tetras are bested by corydoras

MELANOCHROMIS AURATUS(male)

these buggers are nasty for their size, and tenacious.

he was a dominantly a deep purple when calm. When he was excited(often) he would turn an evil whitish color. I admit, he won't have a chance against a puffer beak, but, cichlid against cichlid, ounce for ounce, I stick with this guy.

[span class="edited"][Edited by 2004-04-29 02:22][/span]

I saw this dwarf puffer chasing two clown loaches
...puffers

Fahaka puffer please Id say the most aggressive is the Affrican Pike Charcin would rip it to shreds

If that were to happen, you could say goodbye to those African Pike Characins. Puffer flesh is poisonous and will cause death.

That's the one edge I'll give arrowhead and congo puffers over fahaka's...the ability to bury themselves and blend in to the environment. One of these guys could take out any other fish, and the other fish wouldn't know the puffer was around until it was too late.

Jason

I heard that those puffers can be a bit crazy. But I have no experience with them and do not know their full rage so I would go with either convicts or maybe a Green/Red Terror.

The most bad fish in fresh water would have to be the Electric Catfish. A fish that can grow to 1m long and generate a 400 volt puntch. One fish not to be messed with fahakas are nothen compared to this bad boy.

I have seen a couple of pics of fahakas buried, but I don't think the behavior is as common in fahakas as it is in arrowheads and congos. I definitely don't think they have the ability to change colors as drastically as arrowheads and especially congos, but I could be wrong.

I've had many people come to look at my tanks, and when we get to the arrowhead tanks I usually have to point out the puffer or put food in the tank...otherwise they can be very difficult to see.

Jason

Convicts are not that mean only when they are protecting there young. i would go with the FRESHWATER BARRACUDA OR THE PIRAHNA.

Neon tetras, some joke]

No even better feeder guppies are the meanest! ]]]

angle fish. my big one is after killing my grouamie and my bala shark.

most pirhanas aren't mean...they're just hungry. many people mistake red bellied pirhanas as being highly aggressive fish when they're actually not. I've seen huge display tanks at a public aquarium with pirhanas, oscars, catfish and such. the pirhanas school by themselves and don't bother the rest of the fish.

Jason

I gotta say it depends on the individual fish and not the species (obviously some species are more aggressive than others).
But I have one red devil that is psychotic - the fish has been insane since he was very small. I had him when he was a baby with an oscar that was more than 2x its size - I put them in the tank hoping that the oscar will not eat this little guy - 20 min later I come to find the Oscar pecked to death.
This fish also bites me on a regular basis. If I open the lid to the tank, I have to make sure the fish is in a net - because it will jump out of the aquarium to bite me.

FRESHWATER BARRACUDA IS THE NASTIES IT WOULD RIP THAT FAHAKA PUFFER APART BEFORE IT EVEN GOT A SHOT AT IT. HA!


LOOOK AT THEIR TEETH!]:|]:|]:|]]

FRESHWATER BARRACUDA IS THE NASTIES IT WOULD RIP THAT FAHAKA PUFFER APART BEFORE IT EVEN GOT A SHOT AT IT

in which case the barracuda would be dead...tetraodotoxin in the puffer's flesh incidentally, an arrowhead would start taking chunks out of the barracuda before the 'cuda knew the puff was around.

have you ever seen the teeth of these puffers?

incidentally, we're talking about "meanest/most aggressive fish". I will admit I know next to nothing about fw barracudas, but I know most people mistake pirhana's for being evil, mean fish. they're not...they're just hungry. a school of pirhana's will kill anything if they are hungry, but if they're not chances are they'll leave other fish alone.

now, here is a story of an arrowhead puffer originally told by Pufferpunk--she is a member of this site. She went to an lfs to buy an arrowhead puffer. there were 2 at the lfs, and both were in separate bags floating in the same tank. one of the arrowheads ate through the bag it was in, then ate through the other bag simply to kill the other puffer.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but these puffers aren't very common, and I can tell you it's difficult to understand what they are capable of without seeing them first hand. I have, however, seen fw barracudas, exodons and pirhanas and I would say an arrowhead could take them out no problem.

just my $0.02

Jason

just found this finding pics of the puffer's teeth can be difficult, but click on that link and look at the 3rd pic down and you'll get an idea of what a puffer's teeth look like. keep in mind, these are fused into their jaws and have the power to bit a fiddler crab in half with ease. they don't rip other fish apart like pirhanas and barracudas...they bite fish in half.

Jason