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Donkynutz Enthusiast Posts: 225 Kudos: 225 Votes: 2 Registered: 01-May-2005	just curious, whats everyones take on Rams?? I kinda like the blue ram but i hear they are very sensitive, German ram and Gold ram are a lil tougher, any suggestions? they would be housed in a 70G community tank with 2 Angel fish non breeding, a chocolate pleco a albino bn, 6 neon 6 black phantom 5 salt and pepper and 7 bronze corys and some ottos as well.
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:01
Calilasseia Ultimate Fish Guru Panda Funster Posts: 5496 Kudos: 2828 Votes: 731 Registered: 10-Feb-2003	The major issue is temperature. Venezuelan Rams (or as US aquarists keep calling them, German Rams) like it warm. Make sure that your other fishes will also like it warm alongside the Rams, and if so, you should have relatively few problems in a 70 gallon - should be enough space there to keep half a dozen of them reasonably happy alongside your other fishes. Bolivian Rams don't necessarily need 'hothouse' conditions, but I gather they still like a reasonable degree of warmth. What temperature is your aquarium at? Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:01
zachf92 Big Fish Posts: 343 Kudos: 255 Votes: 233 Registered: 31-Dec-2005	As long as your water quality is good they should do okay in that tank. If you are concerned about the quality then Id go with bolivian rams. theyre hardier and IMO have more of a personality. Last edited by zachf92 at 03-Jan-2006 15:43
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:01
Donkynutz Enthusiast Posts: 225 Kudos: 225 Votes: 2 Registered: 01-May-2005	thanx for the replies, the temp is 80 degrees, im working on the quality of the water now im planning on getting them in a month or less so i have been doing 20-25% water changes every 5 days for the past 2 weeks and will continue doing that until i get them them,then i will do it every week to 10 days all readings are fine as it stands, had a lil amonia spike b/c of a dead neon that i didnt realize was dead. So the bolivian ram had more personality? What about the Gold Rams i kinda like the red to yellow fade they do, they the same as the blue ram?
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:01
Tetra Fan Mega Fish Posts: 1203 Kudos: 1081 Votes: 63 Registered: 11-Apr-2004	Yes, the Gold Ram is the same as the Blue Ram. It's just a color morph. As for Bolivians having more personailty, I have kept both and IMO they both have a bit of a personality. If you don't think you can keep Blue Rams, then go for another Bolivian. They are more forgiving than the Blue's. Last edited by Tetra Fan at 03-Jan-2006 20:44
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:01
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003	I would stay away from blue rams. They look really good at first even for six months and then inevitably they seem to succumb to some parasite. They are very e to this. Many times in the LFS you see the blue rams in with the Discus and cardinals. The bolivians on the other hand are great fish and if your water quality is good they due develop some pretty inpressive colors. You might have seen this in my log, but here's a pic of my two. tetratech attached this image: My Scapes
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:01
Donkynutz Enthusiast Posts: 225 Kudos: 225 Votes: 2 Registered: 01-May-2005	Well, i guess it would be hands down then, bolivian it is. 1 more question, do they like softer or harder water? Planted with rocks and caves are a must if im correct as well!?!?
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:01
sirbooks Moderator Sociopath Posts: 3875 Kudos: 5164 Votes: 932 Registered: 26-Jul-2004	Soft water and plants are preferred. They don't seem to need caves, and don't even use them for spawning in most cases. Just some plants and other decor for bases would work fine. And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:01
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003	Sirbooks pretty much said it, soft plants and some flat rock surfaces. My bolivian spawned on a piece of petrified wood that was under a piece of driftwood. My Scapes
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:01
Donkynutz Enthusiast Posts: 225 Kudos: 225 Votes: 2 Registered: 01-May-2005	Awesome thanx alot for the help, i dont think i am going to put them in the community nemore i have a empty 40G right now just sitting there screaming for Rams, preety sure im doing a species only heavily planted might even do a log on it if ne ones interested in that,or maybe there is a abundance of them at this time.
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:01


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