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But, you do understand that you have to give up some of your fish, right?

I know I'm just echoing what everybody else said, but I know exactly what your going through. I've been in your shoes more than once. I understand more than most pople here that it's near impossible to get a bigger tank when you don't have the money/space. Especially in your case, you would need to get a very large (and expensive) tank. Unless you can afford to get a bigger tank, you are left with only one option.

Unfortunately, that is to give up some of your fish. It's hard, trust me. But I've gone through it too. When I started out, I had a 5 gallon. I had foolishly stocked it with a common pleco(grows up to over a foot), 2 opaline gouramis(grow up to 6 inches each and fight like crazy), a clown loach(another big one), 1 whiteskirt tera(need groups of at least 6), and 2 black phantom tetras(also need schools). I didn't know better, it was before I joined fishprofiles. A few months after I had bought the tank, the tetras began dropping like flies. I soon realised that I would have to give them all up. So I did. It's a hard choice, but you have to do it, sorry.

My fish are fine and they will continue to be that way.

Well, no they won't for reasons already stated but anyway. The pleco question has been answered and jpjr you've been advised on the stock of your tank. The stock you have will not work long term for reasons that have been covered several times over. Since everything has been covered, this thread can really only lead to an argument so for that reason it is closed.

"The topic was about a pleco."

Thats the attitude a lot of people have when they ask if they can add a fish to a tank. Many don't realize when you ask about adding one fish, you must consider many many aspects of the tank. That is why you'll find just about every thread isnt solely about the original poster's question. Tankmates, tank size, water quality, etc all must be taken into consideration.


P.S--This took me all of 2 minutes, so i really didnt waste my time

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dj, I gave you advice as well. Don't write a paragraph because your wasting your time. So you ignored me too. The topic was about a pleco. I never asked anyone here about anything else. I'm not ignoring anyone, I've read the replies. What I choose to do is my business. My fish are fine and they will continue to be that way. They get almost the same amount of attention then my kids. Enough with the drama there are plenty of other threads. I apoligize to the other members who had to read this dribble.

I tried to give you advice. I even shared personal experience with you. But you completely ignored me. You wanted advice, your got it. All your showing us is that your too stubborn to listen to advice. I could go on, but, frankly you are not worth my time. I don't care about your fish and apparently you dont either. But, when you start posting that all your fish are dying, let's see how many of us will care...

Is that tank overstocked.
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Thank you sir!

Just not going to spend more money on a tank to house 2 fish.

Sorry, but essentially that's exactly what you've done. the red devil/terror will take care of things for you. you will eventually only have 1 fish in that tank.

anyway, your stock has been discussed. it's your tank you can do as you like.

Sorry, I'm keeping what I have. I've had a tank for 16 years now. Just not going to spend more money on a tank to house 2 fish. Not what you want to here I know. Please don't write paragraphs about it. I don't want you to waste your time. There are other threads. If it sounds like I'm being an , I apoligize.

Last edited by jpjr50 at 02-Mar-2005 07:18

your bioload isnt gonna matter when the red devil and terror start too mature they'll kill ur fish and eachother long b4 bioload comes into play

...my red devil cant live with anyone ..i even tryed him in my 300 gallon and he still hammered everyone and everything

but if u really want a cat fish synodontis eupterus can handle themselves against most bruiser's (not in your 55 tho)


u can either sell ur fish back and keep one of the bruisers or keep them all ull end up with 1 fish either way

I suspect he's sick and tired of hearing it, so I won't persue the stocking subject. However, I was just wondering, is your red a true lab, or is it a hybrid?

55g with a Jack Dempsey, Red Devil, Red Terror and Black Con. These fish are in the 2 inch range. I've been told the Pleco makes more of a mess than the fish. My tank is crystal and spotless. I think they are real cool looking.

Alrighty, no pleco then. I did look into a BN today and their just too small. I don't want anything big. The Red Terror does a good job keeping the place neat.

My question was about a Pleco. Thank You shannen and clownygirl! I'll look into a bristle nose.

My answer, if you recall, was also about a pleco. BNs are far too small to fend for themselves in the presence of large guaps such as the red/midas (plating only does so much), so don't bother looking into those either.

Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 01-Mar-2005 19:07

look jpjr, i am sorry you got the answer u got wasnt the one u wanted, truely i am but either u give up atleast 2 of the larger species from your tank, your fish will not have a very good quality of life and u dont want to hurt them do you? i hope u dont, u see here at fishprofiles we try to stop fish abuse and when a fish gets stunted (outside stops growing, inside keeps growing leading to an early and painfull death)that can be described as cruelty, and if u are just going to get snappy and ignore our good advise then we can no longer answer your questions. i do hope u understand that we dont want to hurt u, we just want whats best for the fish, and i do appoligise if u became offended by some of the things my friends and i have told you.
-Katie-

your tank is loaded enough. get a bigger tank and then get a pleco. sorry about the bad news. you gotta be real.

We're aware your question was about a pleco. Sirbrooks was merely stating that your current stock list could lead you to a very bad bioload, and a pleco would only make it worse. If you think about it, Sirbrooks actually did answer your question as did Cup of Lifenoodles. They just didnt give you the reply you wanted to hear.



Last edited by katieb at 01-Mar-2005 16:41

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If you sing to me in French.

My question was about a Pleco. Thank You shannen and clownygirl! I'll look into a bristle nose.

First off, a common pleco (I assume that is the one you are talking about) will not really fit in that tank, as they can top eighteen inches in length. Secondly, your fish will start weighing heavily on the bioload, and adding a pleco would just make that worse. Last, the fish that you've already got will need more space than what you've provided for them, especially once they near full size. Red devils and red terrors will need more space than just fifty-five gallons, and the other two fish may fight with each other constantly. I suggest you rethink your tank's stocking before adding more fish.

Last edited by sirbooks at 01-Mar-2005 10:50

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Forget a pleco, you can't even house your current occupants in that tank for the long term