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a group of yellow labs would be good in there but that would be about it.

I did a nanacara order with him before. Granted, they are healthy fish, but be forewarned that they come in VERY small, and may not ship well.

Oh yeah, I second looking at Aquabid. Apistodave has plenty of Apistogramma cichlids up for auction at any given time, I was actually checking them out yesterday. [link=Here]http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?disp&viewseller&Apistodave" style="COLOR: #808080[/link] is a link to his current auctions, he has some nice Apistos up for sale. He even goes far beyond A. cacatuoides, and has a few rare species up for grabs. If you are serious about Apistos, one or more of these auctions should have something that catches your eye.

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nah holey rock is not needed. they perfer mid range ph/hardness being south american. driftwood and slate would be perfect. just drift wood would work fine for them. they like places to hide also on the bottom like leaf litter.

if you cant get them locally aquabid.com has some, apistodave sells some of the nicer looking triple reds i hear.

yeah at the moment ive some comets and a cae cycling the tank but i will start looking for cockatoos later on. im sure i will find some around here. there are a few specialty aquariums that i havent checked on in a while so i should give them a call.
how advisable would it be to feed them live fry? not regularly but as a monthly treat or something.
also i hope these guys dont need holey rock because i have never seen it in sydney. they might have to put up with drift wood and slate rock.

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Hope this helps. i did alot of research on them because i plan on breeding them eventually. any more help i would be happy to do what i can.

Last edited by Sin in Style at 24-May-2005 07:37

ya harem of cockatoos " Cacatuoides " ( cant believe i have that memorised ) would be nice but will also be pricey. also the female is kinda bland until shes ready to spawn. when ready the female turns into a bright yellow.

there are also lots of color variations. Orange flash, this version has all orange on all the fins. Triple red, this version has red on all the fins with black lines that form a nice pattern. Double red, this is the same as the triple but the colors only show on the dorsal and tail. There are others but they are slipping my mind at the moment.

do a search for "images" on google.com for "Apistogramma Cacatuoides" and look at all the possabilities. here is a -Link- that should give the same result.

looking at cockatoo atm. just looking for something active that i can laugh at. not looking to breed. good hunters would be nice. my fighter is a good hunter. lol.
a heirem of cockatoos sound good? ofcourse i only ever see oscars and peacocks in the shops... them and convicts.

rift lake africans are not the way to go in a 3ft tank. they will just beat the crap out of each other on a daily basis.
2 pairs of kribs MIGHT work depending on personalities but i wouldnt try it.

you could look at some shell dwelling species, plenty of room for those and apistogramma was a good suggestion also. you could get a colony of some shell dwellers or some small groupings om toher species of shell dwellers. also some rock dwellers that would work.

Apistogramma are nice but kinda hard to find locally. you would more then likely have to order online or spend a good amount of change through your local shop. depends what your local guys like to deal in of course. if they enjoy south americans then they prolly got a bunch of them.

what exactly are you looking for in the fish? looks? breeding? perticuler anticts? coloration? this would help point in the right direction.

ok then so u guys would probably recomend a hairem rather than a same sex grouping?

How about Kribs?
I dont know how to configure a group of Kribs, but if you are starting from scratch, then Kribs could be the way for you. They are colorful, semi-aggressive, and probably would work in a group. My Guess would be a group of females to 1 male. What do others think?
Kribs are an african cichlid.
And for the top, how about an African Butterfly fish or two? They are awesome looking, very neat, and hang out only on the top. That would be an awesome setting dude!
What do others think?


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ok then. so i got my 3 footer now. havent got nething for it yet cos im still trying to find the right stuff to make hidey holes out of. I'm thinking that i may go with 6 Bolivian rams and then something on the bottom?

at first i thought of a shark with them in pH 7.4-7.5?
would like to stay away from plecs if i could.
how would the rams go with a slightly higher pH of 7.8? thats my natural tap water pH so it just make things a bit easier.

i got about 2 inches of standard gravel not sure if im going to need more. will the rams dig up val if plant it? and how much hiding space do they actually need?

ofcourse if the rams will pick at the gravel like a gourami or angel then that would be a bonus.

3 foot. 39 gallon empty.

exactly how big is the tank in gallons.

ok this is all great stuff thank you. i am completely new to cichlid keeping so im still feeling my way.

perhaps it would be easier to get this kinda setup with an african tank? i dont know but i see in the pet shop display tank which are full of africans and they all seem pretty happy.

how can i setup an african tank? still aiming for 4-6, i like some of the peacocks and electric yellow although i dont think they can go together.

Keyholes would be able to be kept in a group of 6. They're a timid shy species but are very peaceful. Apistos can get a little mean but with that many females it could work. I would be worried about female/female, personally never keeping I don't know but I would think that there would be some agression.

You could have a big harem of one species of Apistogramma cichlids. One male and five females would be cool, and since Apistos tend to do their breeding/socializing in harem groups when they can, that setup shouldn't have compatibility or territory issues.

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ok then fair enough, could u recomend a cichlid which could be put into a group of 6? or 3 pairs of dif species or something?

Last edited by lifeofcrimeguy at 20-May-2005 01:10

ya easily with the tetras. The reason I said 2 pairs is because of the territory issues.

ok so u think only 4 rams in a slightly less than 40gal? is that with or without the tetras?