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Oh dear I did not realize you had a clown loach. A clown loach can grow up to 12 inches long and in some cases larger. (that is a foot long or more) and if cared for properly they can live up to 50 years or more. I suggest highly that if you would like to keep this type of fish that you upgrade to a tank that is at least 4 foot long or if not more. If you cant up grade then I think you will have to re-think on what type of fish to have going for smaller fish and having the bigger fish you already have re-homed. Stunting a fish is not good news it is in-fact very painful for the fish and it does in fact die a very slow and painful death. As for the boesman rainbows they are a shoaling fish and should really be kept in a shaol of 6 or more and the same with any tetras.

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a 35g tank is a 4ft long one..........
if you really want a peaceful cichlid, you could try keyhole cichlids, they are very peaceful, and will not have their fins nipped by anyone, as they aren't very long.
but, as everyone has already said, stunting is bad

SP

what is the tank size, that would be helpful.

but why not a krib.

I personnaly couldn't give u an estimated time on their expectancy... all i know is that they will end up suffering... I understand there are different reasons for everything we do when it comes to our fish.... i just thought i would share the little bit of information i had about the stunting!

i was thinking about upgrading to a 55g so now im even more convinced to do so, but if i do stay with the 35g, how long would the loaches live?

as far as i know.. yes it will lower it's life expenctancy because the fish's internal organs will keep growing and once the stunting has begun to appear, it's too late to try to fix it...

as was once said to me about an oscar in a 60gal.. would u like to live in a closet hehe... kinda puts a different spin on it lol

is stunting really that bad? will it lower a fishes life expectancy?

...stunting's a bad thing

And besides, if you already have fish that will need to be stunted, it wouldn't make any sense to add more fish.

i think if u can't provide housing for the fish now, not to get any cichlids.

boesemans rainbows are one of the larger rainbow fishes, and require open swimming area. and a full grown adult would exceed 5 inches long and would be abou 3-4 inches in height.

i wouldnt really say im overstocked. the loaches will get stunted and wont get larger than 4in. also the boesmans are only 2 1/2 in long. i have heard of rare occassions where they grow to 5in, but they definitly wont grow that large in a 35g

ive been thinking about getting ram, but i want to try something new

with the boesemans and clown loaches ur stocked, unless u have a larger tank for later. but they have those dwarf cockatoo cichlids.

i have a couple tetras, 2 slender rasboras, 2 clown loaches, a clown barb, and 2 boesman rainbows

Why not go for another bolivian ram? I think i would pass on the krib. I found them very aggressive myself and i have tried them twice now. A keyhole is very peaceful but not sure how it would get on with your other fish. And as for the firemouth well they can be rather bosterous and sometimes aggresive. I have a firemouth at the moment and although he has done no damage as such yet i am sure it is only a matter of time. Have you thought about cuckoo cichlid. They are very small but pretty.

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what are the otehr tankmates, i guess it is possible that the krib would be aggressive, mines aren't but again every fish is different.

umm, in general i think a keyhole is good, but i may get picked on. or a firemouth, but that would be pushing it.

sorry i forgot about the tank size. it is a 35g.

about the kribs- while my grandfather had my tank (originally his tank), he tried kribs and said they were very territorrial, even though they are supposedly "peaceful". maybe he just got some mean kribs

now that my bolivian ram is dead , im thinking about getting a new, peaceful cichlid. does anyone have any suggestions on what i should get?

i was thinking about getting an small angel, but i dont know whether they'd nip or get nipped (by my nippy tetras and clown barb)

another possibility is a blue ram, but would they be too delicate in hard water, or too delicate in general?

if there are any other peaceful cichlids you would like to tell me about, please do.

You are postulating less then 40% of their mature size
and it is highly likely that they would die if kept at
that size. One of the dynamics in the stunting process
is the kidneys inability to overcome soluable toxins
which at that size would mean an early death



Robby

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I know human beings and fish can co-exist peacefully.

It depends on the measurements of the tank whether it is 4 foot or not? a tank that say is 48x18x18 would hold 56.1 uk gallons. and a tank that measured 36x18x18 would hold 42.1 uk gallons a tank that is 24x18x18 would hold 28 uk gallons. I have two 4 foot tanks and each one holds 69.2 uk gallons. So no 35 gallons does not always mean the tank is 4 foot long. So the only way we will ever no is if you tell us your measurements of the tank?

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yeh yeh, back to the krib thing. when my kribs were paired up i had major aggression but i got rid of the femalse and kept the 2 males and they now live very peacfully in my 55usg with 2 angels, 2 black angels, 15 rummy nose tetras, 6 corry's and 2 small plecos. i mean no problems what so ever. mabey they are only nasty when breeding.

chris