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just my two cents worth...

i kept 3 large angels with a school of 50 cardinals in a densely planted tank - never a whisper of trouble. i've heard a lot of talk about angels not troubling other fish if you get the angels as babies...mine were about an inch across the body when i got them... i was also lucky enough to get three of the same sex in that case, so i never had to deal with breeding issues. i've also had a pair of breeding angels pretty much tear a pleco and a betta to shreds in territorial frenzy...

ah, fish-keeping!!

Acclimate those angels very slowly, small angels are very senstive.

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I am expecting half a dozen dime sized angels in the mail sometime this week or next (overnight shipping, im just not sure when they will be sent out) and I am going to observe them and pick out 2 to keep, well, providing that they do OK as i've heard baby angels are quite sensitive.

SO! i am going to try it out with the little angels and go from there. They'll at least have a while before they get to card-harassing size, and by then I will be able to see if they seem to be bothering them.

MMMMMMMMMM well so far my angels have been fine with my cardinals but like its been said my angels were small when they first went in the tank so they grew up with the cardinals. So far i have not even seen the angels so much as look at the cardinals.



Last edited by tessa38uk at 24-Oct-2004 12:23

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It's not that simple that you can't put cards with angels.
I have had a successful tank of two angels with 12 cards for about one year. The angels do not harass the cards at all.
If you get the angels small enough and the cards are already in the thank, there are no problems. In fact cards school better when there is a bigger fish present.



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Hey Devon7. I have to say this, from my experiences, that Angels and Cardinal Tetras should never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never be kept together as the Angels will constantly harass them, by breaking up the school, and will kill them, as in the wild Angels feed on Cardinals and Neons as prey. So Devon7, my advice is to NOT buy the Angels.

The beauty of an angelfish swimming with it's long fins can not really be appreciated in a 29g tank. In fact I'm looking to replace my 46g with a 72g tank, because one Angel I bought small the size of a quarter is already 3 times the size in 3 months and he looks a little cramped in my 46g tank.


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hmmmmmm.... well it seems like a 4 ways split this way:

25% - yes, angels are fine
25% - no, will eat cards
25% - no, tanks too small
25% - no, will eat cards and the tanks too small

so! that leaves me a 25% chance of this working out the way i ideally would like... I think I will look into one very young/small gold or gold pearlscale angel as I find them quite beautiful and then I will go from there... I suppose I will just come up with some alternate plans should I have any problems.

The Angels with Cardinals is not the problem. The problem is the size of your tank. I have kept two angels in a 46g tank with a school of 14 cardinals, none have been eating or even harassed by the angels. A 29 gallon tank is really two small for Angels which will grow to almost a foot in size if you count fintip to fintip.

The trick to keeping Angels with Cards is to have the Cards in there when the Angels are small, then as the Angels grow they don't consider them food.

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welcome to fp

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and ahhhhhhhhh! the conflicting info in mind-numbing!! :%):%):%)

if for some reason i did end up with a breeding pair of angels, would they terrorize the other fish? I have harlequin rasboras, corys, and cards. I also have 2 young male swordtails but I would probably have to take them out to add any angels, or else there would be no room, right?

As with all fish with any sense of maternal pare, angels are territorial when spawning, but are nowhere near as aggressive as CAs, africans, and tangs. Therefore, by breeding standards, they are considered relatively peaceful.

gee, cup-of-life, that must be angels in america! (hohoho) - here in oz, angels are pretty well-known for their strong territorial behaviour when breeding - hence the need for keeping them in a large enough tank so the tankmates (if there are any) can avoid them and their spawning site...the trouble comes because they're always moving the bloody babies!!

That's odd, angels are generally peaceful breeders. Large hypostomi are notorious for often swimming right up to the eggs and eating them. On a seperate note, cards and angels are fine together.

I saw some beautiful yellow and white angels at the fish store the other day... but i also have a school of 6 cardinal tetras. would the angel(s) harass them and eat or try to eat them? would adding more plants alleviate the situation? the tank already has many plants but I want to add more anyway

Also, this is for a 29 gallon tank, would 2 angels fit or will they be too crowded?

what are the benefits of having a pair? would they be more comfy with this kind of small gallonage if they were a pair because they hang out together? (as opposed to 2 males or 2 females?) also, if it were a pair would they be less aggresive to the cardinals, or would this make them more aggresive to other fish?

I like rams, as much as to take out the the fish and rescape my 10g so that I may keep a pair in there So i dont think i want rams in the 10g AND the 29g

I wouldn't add Kribs with Cards or your fry, the kribs are quick and MIGHT eat them. If you get an over-agressive male krib or a breeding pair, most of your fish could be in danger. What about a pair of Rams ?

Last edited by DaFishMan at 16-Oct-2004 17:25

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hmmm all this conflicting info! I'd like to know how many people have actually kept cards with angels and if they have kept them with or without problems... can somebody make a poll or something like that?

would setting a divider in the tank with the cardinals on one side and the angels on the other so the angels can get used to them work or is this just wishful thinking as i would also like to keep 4 angels in a 55 with atleast 12 cardinals