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Hiya NVforget,

Actually the high cost of the cross back is because of the fact that they have a higher chance of having a full body of gold rimmed scales. That's why they are called crossbacks.The RTGs usually go only as high as the fifth level of gold rimmed scales. I have a RTG at home.

I do believe that some quality Kois do fetch a high amount not too sure how high but high enough for me to ever dream of owning one in my lifetime.

Some shovelnose catfish species cost much more than rays over here, bordering on the thousands if I recall correctly.

Not sure about koi going for $200,000, but the highest on this leading site in koi sales, at present is $20,000
http://www.koi.com/sales/

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80% of aquarium fish are domestically bred.

Actually the number is more like, less than 10%.

Our oceans will be completely empty in 50 years or less if we dont do something now.

No, they won't be empty, but yes some fish may become extinct. But, the thing is (as for fish, not corals), the impact of the fish keeping hobby is less than 2%. This was shown when a law was tried to pass but failed in the US that limited the importing of said fish. A study done, showed that over 80% was due to commercial fishing. And of the rest of the impact, included commercial shipping, and cruise liners.

As for steps, well the only real people that have taken steps are the hobbyist. They have learned how to propigate corals, so less are taken, they have learned how to spawn and raise SW fish and the fry, so less are taken. And, since you brought up oceans, I guess it would surprise you to know that way less than 1% of the fish are commercially bred. In fact there are only a few species that are commercially bred, and only about 30 species that have even been bred. With technology this number is gradually rising, but slowly.

As for the conversation, if you would like to continue on this topic, please start a new thread, as it is highjacking this one, and is not fair to the original poster. I will answer in it as well.


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World record Koi have fetched in excess of $1 million US each.

yeah, i saw on a tv show that some koi have been sold for over 1 million dollars before. The show said that the figure was in australian dollars though.

Not much difference in Aus and US dollars these days...

Going price around here for a Leichardi Saratoga (6-8" long is $325-$375.

Expect to pay more for a Jardini. They're prettier.

PJ
i believe the gold arrowana u refer to is the crossback breed which is one of the asian arrowana, others that belong to the asian arrowana is the red, green ,RTG(red tail golden)....crossback fetch the highest price among all because its scale will turn 24k gold colour when reaching adult stage,while RTG which will turn to golden too will not fare so high price because of the lesser 24k gold like.

Pricing will depend on the different grade of each kind of breed, example like red arrowna , there is grade 1 , grade 1 1/2 and blood red etc.

Here in singapore, the highest priceing i seen in a arrowana competition is a crossback golden S$78,888.
Any price higher than this i believe is possible but i never seen yet, after all it is the most expensive fish in aquarium trade for a single fish.
PS: If u can afford to have a shark in your house than i dun think the AMT of $$ can be compare to your 'little' fish

Actually a law like that would send the hobby down the drain. As fish prices would sky rocket. After all, the then availability would be to those of breeders, and thus they could control the prices. And then, only the rich and famous would have fish tanks.

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Well the thing is, there has been a law put in place, in Canada, and Likely in the USA as well, that is essentially a BAN of importing "wild caught specimens"- not just fish but all other kinds of animals as well. However, due to the complexity of the aquarium trade and the massive numbers of wild caught fish that flow in and out of any country, the law is being implemented slowly, over a period of 10 years time. What you will see is a decrease in availability of wild caught fish as different trans-shippers and importers get snagged into the new laws. Eventually these wild caught fish will disappear from availability lists everywhere, and all that will be left is fish that are and have been bred in captivity, danios, goldfish, bala sharks, rtbs, rainbowsharks, loaches, some plecos, etc. In fact- I am looking forward to the full implementation of this law simply because then and only then will it be prooved that Bala Sharks are bred in captivity, and even the skeptics wont be able to deny it! I suppose it is a good thing because it prevents over-harvesting of wild species- but it doesnt stop the fishermen from putting a line out, thats for sure.

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"Good to know this kinda stuff, I saw the poor thing in a 10 gallon tank. Could be deceiving to a novice at the fish keeping hobby. Thanks alot for all the info. Seems like it would be a cool fish if my tank was 3 times bigger."
yea, but do most LFS have huge tanks to put fish in that they're going to sell??? we only have 1 big show tank, and i heard that black arrowana were illegal to import from the head fish guy at our LFS

i believe there is such a fish, but as you can see by the price they are very rare, they also might be a miscoloration of a different arrowana
this might be the gold arrowana

Last edited by dakafall at 07-Dec-2004 18:54

While everyone is on the topic of Arowanas is there such thing as a Gold Arowana.
Last year my Dad went to Thailand and claimed he saw a Gold Arowana in a Hotel. I did'nt belive him but he said the Hotel people said it was close to $400,000.

I still don't belive him but he said one day he will take me to Thailand and show me.

I have an Austrailian Arowana that I have kept for over 6 years now, and from my experience, Arowana are the hardiest fish I have ever kept(With prices that high,I don't want it to die).They are graceful,recognize their owner,and very entertaining to watch.I bought him when he was only 5 inches and now he is well over 20 inches and lives in my 200 gallons. Arowana can be very agressive at a young age, I had a mistake of putting a silver arowana twice his size and it die a week later from the abuse from my aust. arowana. After many years he got older and more soft hearted, a swimming gentle giant(He don't even hunt down goldfish no more!. He is able to live small fish around 4''+ Cichlids are a good addition(I have 5 cichlids in the tank with him about 5'' each).Arowana never bother them, and no cichlids would face someone that cast a shadow over them. My Arowana rarely ate any prepare pellets,he only eats live and 'xpensive stuff like bloodworms. In conclusion, I like my arowana very much, to me, hes a giant cichlids who never bother with anyone(including plants), have alot of "maturity personality" and very peaceful.

Where did you hear that? I just ordered some for a store last week. They were real beauties too.

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have fun trying to find a black arrowana in the U.S. though, they are now illegal to import, they will occasionally show up w/ a bunch of silver arrowana because of an overlook by the supplier

An LFS here has 3 blacks and 3 Asians together in a 8' x 5' x 2' pond, and they cohabitate well.

Yes, acidrain, I know of what I speak....as a zoologist, I work on empirical evidence only, and after 34 years in the hobby, I know my fish.

As for rearing more than one in a tank. Yes, I have done this too. There is a trick to it though. They need to be placed in the tank at the same time, and the tank cannot be large enough for them to establish marked territories. In other words, you cannot put 4 or 5 fish in a 150 gals when they are only inches long. As they will have ample room to establish marked territories and they will fight. You start them out in a 10-20 gal tank, and as they grow, which is quite fast given good foods, you move them to a slightly larger tank, and so on, till you get them into the tank they will stay in. Two are not good together unless they are breeding. If keeping more than one, you should have at least 3. I have kept 3 together with little incident. And kept 5 together with hardly any incident. I start with 5-6 or more, and keep the best ones, selling the others to LFS as they grow.

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It very well may be. I am just posting here from my experience and from all the resources I have available. There very well could be some that large. But, my resources and my own experiences with these fish for the past 20 years, have not shown them to me. So when I am told something that is beyond my knowledge and experience and refference, I ask to see the proof. That is all. Anyone can say they have done this or done that and say it is true, but this does not make it so. I try to keep my posts to comply with refferences as much as possible, then to comply with my own experiences. Yes, many refferences can and are wrong, but for the most part, they have truth behind them. And, when posting to other people about things, it is always better to post with the backing of refferences, rather than just a "say so". This is why I always ask for refferences, and sometimes just proof will do. Toirtis, is usually very knowledgeable, and may be so here as well. But like I said, I am just asking for the proof.

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Anyone had any luck in rearing more than 1 of any species of arrowana in a single tank ? if have i would like to hear your experience.....