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![]() | Selective breeding and inbreeding, some questions! :0 |
viciouschiapet![]() Fish Addict Posts: 651 Kudos: 77 Votes: 15 Registered: 25-Jan-2003 ![]() ![]() | Dwarf Platys are different from regular platys. They're not just stunted adults. I remember seeing on another forum somewhere that someone posted an example of dwarf platys WITH regular platy fry that were about the same size. Sure they looked similar, but the dwarf platys had smaller eyes compared to the fry, clearly showing that they are not just baby platys. They were small adult proportioned fish. They don't have the enlarged head/short body of stunted fish. I have 6 of them and so far they are actually very healthy. The thing with inbreeding to get dwarfs.. you would want a MUCH larger stock that you're gonna have. If you inbreed too much you get health defects and deformities. You have to keep introducing new gene pools to get healthy results. You know how diverse dog breeds are. They are definitely a long ways away from a wolf and are proof of how selective breeding can go, but inbreeding leads to undesireable traits. Chihuahuas have been inbred to the point of being neurotic, lots of large dogs get hip displaysia... my dog is a mutt but he has a luxating patella which is most often a congenital disease that he probably got from inbreeding in his family tree. Early breeders had to import dogs from other countries to keep the gene pool diverse. Glofish... I don't get what's so horribly wrong with them. I know some people think genetically modifying things is wrong, but I guess that's just personal. The fish themselves aren't hurt the way parrotfish or neon glassfish are. I even saw "tattood" mollies that made me mad, but oh well. The pottery that growls! |
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eat_ham222![]() Banned Posts: 97 Kudos: 72 Votes: 16 Registered: 20-Jul-2007 ![]() ![]() | Hey, if a practice doesnt hurt the fish, or effect its abilty to mate, breed, defend itself, or hunt, whats the harm? ive never seen those glowing danios in rl, so i cant reallly have a huge opinion |
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Callatya![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Moderator The girl's got crabs! Posts: 9662 Kudos: 5261 Registered: 16-Sep-2001 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Unless you have a good handle on other parts of genetics and interactions and so on, breeding for size is playing with fire. Dwarfing genes (and there are lots) in particular can really mess up the structure and in turn the function of an animal. Giant genes appear to be less problematic but are still a bit dicey. That is not to say that size cannot be played with, it is just the way in which it is achieved that is different. I personally believe that dwarfing shouldn't be touched, but breeding two otherwise healthy and well-proportioned fish that are slightly on the small side (you'd have to check the proportion very very carefully as small isn't small isn't small in a lot of cases) then you would end up with offspring with more of a chance of having a lower genetic potential for size. Step back for a moment and think of size in relation to humans or other animals, and how that can be affected, how many generations it can take to appear, what other factors influence things etc etc. As one of those people that does line breed for exploitation of genetic mutations (and lets just not get into the ethics or commentaries on my sense of self) there are lines that you just shouldn't cross, and one of them is breeding for a single trait - any trait, including hardiness and immunity etc - with no regard for anything else, because that is when it all goes pear-shaped. It may get you to where you want to be quickly, or it may give you some mangled excuse for a fish, but either way it will be at great sacrifice to the overall quality of the specimen. It has to be a broad and balanced approach. If you cannot achieve what you want without knowingly causing damage (and this is assuming that your ba And no, all inbreeding isn't bad, it is perfectly natural with many species. At some point it may well become an issue naturally, but with many fish, the spawn size and short breeding interval make it less of a problem. It is human interference and selection for a single goal that can make it ugly. |
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