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When breeding them would it make a difference to what the male fry look like depending on what the mum looks like?

Fin shape is one of those many traits in guppies which is carried in the genetics of the parents. How many different recognized isolated fin shape types are possible?

A master of guppies, but I do not see you listed as a member of the American Livebearer Association. Why not? It is the recognized authority in the United States where you could share a lot of your knowledge.

Any current strains you are working on and any for sale?

Pics of your breeding setups? Tips for the beginning breeders out there?

Koi

Empty chairs at empty tables, the room silent, forlorn.

From:NewBreeder16, no longer new but new name is hard to come by
To: pheonix

to breed liveberrers you need water. that is pretty much true. The males are very readyto breed.
Sea salt will aid their health, the box will tell you how much to put, and the ten gallon will be perfect. You'll have to get rid of some after a while because your population will rise faster than you think. You'll want a
well planted side of the tank and alot of swiming space. To save the most babies you'll want a liveberrer baby catcher(i don;t remember the name of it)just put the female into it and youll be fine.

-NewBreeder16 if i left something out just say so.

Last edited by NewBreeder16 at 15-Jul-2005 09:15

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question for the orignal poster:

What is required to breed livebearers? What should a tank look like and is ten gallons adequate?

To: bettachris
Its hard to tell what you'll get.Most of the time you get some of your mother and father colors with some combinations here and there. tails will usually be half and half on their shape.
-NewBreeder16


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To: Hello Fishy
The only thing aggressive about guppies is thire want to breed. Males will try to"breed" almost anything if no females are pressent.That is most likely what was going on.
-NewBreeder16 hope that helps

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To:jamie
I have only been breeding for a year, but i have read countless books and countless web sites. I also have gatten tips from old prose too.
-NewBreeder16

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i been doing bettas for 9 years and still dont know everything

i have two HB red deltas, and if i X them to pure pastel, what will i get.

To be truthful i never heard of the liveberror association. But i know about your tail fin question, I have delta tailed and fan tailed at the moment and i hope to get some flag tails.I have snaik skin gups
and a my own (i guess ) variation of red and snaikskin mix.

OH DUDE_DUDE the femail can causs some color in the Fry

off the top of my head theres delta, flag, fan, siccor, and aluviated (this is not corrrect spelling) tail varriants, but i have a book that has the others

-NewBreeder16

Last edited by NewBreeder16 at 18-Jul-2005 09:34

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alrighty then i will edit in a bit with her size

How long have you been breeding guppies?

Nicely done. Drat, and here I wanted to stump you... not that I had any terribly hard questions.

Fishy - I'd like to point out that your ____'s will look a different size on different monitors. Pull out a ruler and take a measurement instead. My screen is set at 1600x1200, which means I can fit four of the normal 800x600 sized screenshots into the same space. It also means that things appear smaller.

My girl was a decent sized, but certainly not of monster proportions. I just don't know what happened, because she showed no signs of illness. *shrugs*

~Meow. Thus spoke the cat.~

Ok, they average life span is 4-5 years(if cared for extra extra well) the colors of your first question would be a few mixed colors and a few of each of the original colors*takes a deep breath* and the final question is a toss up.*lets out rest of air*.
That was a harder question than what i thought was coming.
-NewBreeder16

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kitten, my art teacher has had some females grow to be __________________ (no kidding here) and i think her said they were 3+ years living in a 30 gallon filled with other guppies...strangethe males r tint though ___________ thats about it

If you mix bright orange/yellow females with pastel males (one each baby blue, pink and yellow) what will the resulting fry look like? Cause those are my new guppies, and I wonder what will come of the females, which I assume are pregnant.

As for line breeding... if say, third generation of line breeding throws more wild-color males than fancies, what are the odds of one of those wilds - when bred back to his fancy sisters - will throw fancies? I've only got the one male left from my original spat of breeding, and am pondering letting him loose amongst his sisters. For that matter, why would all the females have been the yellow leopard print while the males were a mix of wild and leopard?

Have I stumped you yet? How about average lifespan? I had my eldest girl for 1.5+ years and all of a sudden, found her dead with no obvious signs of why. And she wasn't even overbred like some guppies... she had maybe four drops her entire life, all early on. She was healthy one day and dead the next.

So... riddle me that!

~Meow. Thus spoke the cat.~

Hardy har har, good one man.
-NewBreeder16

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What is my guppy thinking right now?

Woo... I can answer those questions. Yay, now I feel useful instead of just full of questions.

Males are generally more colorful and have larger tails. They also have a gonopodium... Look at the anal fin (the fin under the body) will be shaped like a tube on males or fanned out on females.

The saying goes that all you need for guppies to breed is to add water. Seriously. If you have male and female guppies together and they DON'T breed something is wrong. It's what they do. It's the entire reason for their existence (or so one would think). Everything about the guppy is built for a lifetime of breeding. They are ALL about the survival of the species.

To keep your guppy population in control (if you do, indeed wind up with a mixed sex bunch), you need population control. A female betta will do the trick nicely. Danios are also good choices, as well as gouramis or the like. Anything big enough to eat the fry with a propensity towards live food.

You can generally keep female bettas with guppies. Male bettas can be kept with FEMALE guppies and some betta boys are calm enough to keep with MALE guppies, but try that at your own risk. Betta boys have been known to think of guppy boys as potential rivals and can rip them to shreds.

Unless you have a LARGE tank, you really don't want to consider keeping male and female bettas together. It can be a disaster. I wouldn't even keep them together in a large tank, though some have done so.

Of course, many people have problems keeping several female bettas together and I've had no issues. I have two separate betta girl community tanks up and running and have minimal aggression (just the normal heirarchical matters). Must be lucky.

~Meow. Thus spoke the cat.~

OK So I have bought some new males (2 black and 2 red with hot pink in them) and have about 7/9 virgin females as well.

So like I am have them quarentine the males at present and well am going to breed them. I will put 4/5 females to the 2 males or even jsut the better of the 2 males. Now how long do I have to put them together for breeding to take place????

i was wondering when my guppy fry will start to show their color?

See not heard much on that subject.
-NewBreeder16

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Actually, one is the generally accepted number of inter brood cross overs .

Congrats KITTEN
I could not haver put it better. I agree with you one hundred Percent.Thanx for the help.


Megs Mom: One more week till you'll be able to tell.

Cup_of_lifenoodles: It'll take quite a few.Four to five maby more.I havn't had much info on this subject.

Victa Fish: thanks for the compliment.

Last edited by NewBreeder16 at 28-Jul-2005 20:22

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well i thought i was good with goldfish till i met you and your gup's

Larger females=more males to mate with=large brood size+greater genetic diversity.

How many generations of inbreeding is required to "fix" a strain?





Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 28-Jul-2005 16:12

I'm not new to fish but new to guppies. Within a week of purchasing male and female guppies which were apparently ALWAYS kept in separate tanks I have a few fry. I know HOW to tell the male from the female but how long before I will be able to tell which of the fry are female and which are male ? They are about 3 weeks old and so far all have the exact same colouring as the females.

I know almost every thing about GUPPIES if you have a question i will be there for ya.
-NewBreeder16

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Hey NewBreeder16

I bought my first guppies at the weekend and they are gorgeous. I think they are all boys (by chance) so I'm wondering if they will be quite happy all boys together or whether I should think about getting some ladies in the near future. Is it a given that mixed bunch will breed? I'm probably not set up for breeding though so happy to leave them be if they will be happy. What does one need when nature takes it course?

Also in terms of compatability, are guppies compatable with Bettas. It doesn't say so on the profiles but I thought I'd ask the question. I'm wondering whether I could add a couple of female bettas and maybe eventually a male to my community tank.

thank you

Well kitten, two weeks is pretty good, i think, for him to do his "job". The females can play trix on you, they look prego one day not the next, just keep an i on her.
-NewBreeder16

Well SHAM you never know what will come out of that kind of mix. Some will have the color of their parents, and some will be a mix. This subject takes a long time to expirament on.
-NewBreeder16

Well CORY ADDICT the females are larger than the males because they carry the younge. the males only have to be pretty and do their "job". The females need the extra muscle.(i guess, i have not heard or read much on this subject, but that is the main idea)
-NewBreeder16



put your replies all in one post please.

Last edited by Lindy at 25-Jul-2005 17:17

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Why aren't male guppies the same size as females?

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I'm not your neighbor, you Bakersfield trash.

Hey with the attention of a few knowledgeable guppy people on this thread it looks like a good spot to reask an unanswered question from the endler feeder thread.
What happens if I breed wild colored guppies to snakeskins? I have 1 male wild guppy and a few females then I bought snakeskins off aquabid but I think I got all females. I might also have 1 lyretail but it's too small to tell.

Hmm... more questions.

I let my male guppy loose with his sisters. How long before I can assume they've had their fun? I've seen him dancing for his harem, but haven't been able to catch them in the act. (Gee, makes me sound like I'm a voyeur.)

Also, it's been about two and a half weeks since I got the new guppies... one looks like it MIGHT be carrying, but I'm not sure. I'm assuming the two will probably wind up dropping fry at some point, but they were quite likely stressed out by the moving and such... how will that effect delivery? Of course, it's possibly that they're NOT pregnant, but I'm going to assume they are. I'm going to introduce the new girls in with the others when I remove the male. I don't want to make some weird cross strains... I think when they drop, they'll be a mixed enough batch as it is.

Just curious...

~Meow. Thus spoke the cat.~

Best if breeding, one male to two female.in a 5 gal. i'd just have six on that skale,but if only males you can have around 5-6 in a five.A ten gal. i would recamend not too many more.
-NewBreeder16

ps . mite be a bit to much on a 5 gal. filter


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Whats a good number of guppies to keep? I am planning on getting some. Stocking is in my profile.

Oh and i am working on a red snake skin mix to sell.
Most of my strains are sold to the Old Capital Pet Center in Corydon IN.
-NewBreeder16

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