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well my grandpa has a group of endlers(they are in a 10gallon and there about 200 of them,plus they have been inbreeding and the females are small due to breeding young{the water is brown no air, but they seem to live, and live just fine. well anyway i took 4 females and 3 males. they are in my 15 gallon with hopes of breeding. n.e way i just thought i'd share.

congratulations bettachris
I know I love mine and hope you love yours as well...I can't wait till they decide to breed for me...let me know when you start having fry as well...this is so cool
heidi

"I've got a great ambition to die of exhaustion rather than boredom." Thomas Carlyle

I've been breeding Endler's for quite a while. As with other livebearers a minimum ratio of 1M/2F if best; the males are constantly after the females :%) Hopefully that will balance out once you start getting fry.

I don't really think the females are small due to breeding young. I also have mine in a 10g, heavily planted, frequent water changes...I'm sure my females are breeding young too but they are still normal Endler's size.

Good luck

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There is water at the bottom of the ocean

Congrats! Your tank will probably soon end up like your grandfather's!!! Watch out! lol

nope saidly to say, they all died with i think a fin rot / ich problem, i can't seem to match the condition that they have been living in for yaers. i really don't know what is up, every time i get his guppies they die, so that is why this time i only got a few. if i were to get endlers agan, it would probably be from another source, but then i really don't know if they are pure.

im sry bettachris :#(

If your g-pa has more, go get some more and try again...maybe get some new ones from a lfs.....so they wont be so inbred (dur hur!)

I've got a fever... and the only prescription... is more cowbell!

my gamps has tones more, but i am getting tired for them always dieing. i have a pair of endler hybreds that i got at a lfs, but there hasn't been breeding, even though the female is about a 1 around, no joke, i will just have to wait and see.

yea i got 5 endlers and now i have 15 endlers in a 2.5 gallon tank and they are reproducing like you wouldnt belive.. there is a couple of floating plants in therre and java moss for protection but they have reallly nice colors.. in my 10 gallon i have atleast 200 guppies... they are always breedin its great...

Bettachris - I suspect the trouble is that the water in gramps tank is vastly different than in your tank and the fish can't take the sudden change.

There's a couple of things you could try.

Next time you try getting endlers from gramps, get a couple gallons of his tank water too. (I would use a camping water carrier jug. Afterwards, bleach the jug and rinse well before storing it with the camping gear.) When you get home, put the water and fish into a very small tank fitted with a heater and cycled sponge filter. Now gradually start adding a little of your water, drawn from the tap and treated with a dechlorine/Amine product. Each day add about 25% new water. You'll have to remove a little in order to add more new water. Eventually you should have them fully acclimated to your water.

The alternative would be to set them up in a bucket and make a mini siphon out of airline tubing. You will run it from your tank to the bucket, but first tie a knot in the end of the line so as to only allow the water to slowly drip into the bucket. Let the water drip into the bucket very slowly until its doubled in volume. Then dump half out and repeat the process again once or twice more. Then net the fish out into the tank. Yes, this will take hours so if the room is very cold, drop a heater in the bucket.

The slow gentle acclimation should do the trick.

Also, when transporting fish, I prefer to keep them in an insulated cooler to avoid chilling them.