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its the same fish as before.

Previously he had acne like rash on both his sides.

1 week of Primafix- spots gone

now he has a lump on his mouth and it looks like the spots are coming back.

I did 50% wc on sunday,

should I treat with Primafix or try some tihng more aggressive?

GFG

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Harvey S. Firestone

The rash on both sides is probably a sign that septacaemia has taken hold. Id go with a good broad spectrum antibiotic and see if he picks up.

ermm? where can I get an antibiotic for Fish from?

I have Baytril for the rats but thats about it!

cheers tho I have to go to the Vets with the girls and shall ask his opinion

thnaks

GFG

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Harvey S. Firestone

Baytril does work well on fish, but it will kill the filter bacteria. If you treat the fish in an unfiltered, oxygenated, and clean QT setup it might work.

right people,

the lump on his mouth dropped off.... and now he has white spot - these are definitely different to the spots before they have gone.

so I am treating with melafix? but he looks pretty bad.



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Harvey S. Firestone

Melafix doesnt kill ich, so youll need to visit the lfs to get an appropriate med. Whitespot treatments are common just about everywhere.

An Update.

moved the key hole to the 15G

still treated with melafix and primafix he seemed loads better

no more redness

no more spots.
(not sure it was ever whitespot, spots looked mostly to big and pus filled.
Today still seems very subdued and occasionally turns very black. I tihnk the what ever it is has gone internal? because he actually looks pretty normal - except when he turns black cos that equals stress obviously.

I just feel dreadful cos he has lasted so long.

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Harvey S. Firestone

Dark colouration and swollen mouths can be associated with thyroid cancer, which horrific as it sounds can be treated with iodine and potassium iodide, but it still sounds like the fish has partially responded to the treatment you have given it, which to me indicates that the cause is still bacterial. The body spots are probably septacaemia caused by the infection the mouth has, and to shift it you might need a proper , full strength antibiotic. Oxytetracycline should do the job. Youll probably have to enlist the help of a vet to get it.

I strongly suspect the problem was always internal. The melafix will have given the fish some relief, but a systemic antibiotic is needed.I think any lesser step will not save the fish.

Do you think, since my vet looked at me as though I was mad when I asked him last time if he treated fish (you suggested it before? and I had baytril although now I can't find the post) that actually putting him to sleep is a kinder option?

I have just fed him and he struggles to get to the food, over shoots and misses a fair bit but he is eating.

he does look a bit skinny though.

thanks
GFG

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Harvey S. Firestone

Thats because vets dont always see the economical viability of it, and most of them arent trained in aquatic sciences. Administering antibiotic to fish, is however , totally normal practice for those who wish their fish to survive serious bacterial infections, even if it is a little expensive. The only price tag I consider for treatments is whether I can actually afford it or not.It is not for a vet to withold treatments based on cost or his lack of knowledge. Even tiny animals can be effectively given antibiotic via water absorbtion or foods, an injection isnt always required by any means.He should advise you sensibly , not just frown at you!lol. A lot of vets that practice large animal medicine are surprisingly ignorant of small animal medicine, exotic, and aquarium animals. Guru's they aint.

Personally I find that when you have done years in animal rescue and are studying for animal sciences phd's they drop all that condescending stuff .

I got in touch with a another LFS as well as mine, they think it can be cured with an anti parasite, they don't know if any vets that would treat a single fish(one uses one for imported stock that "goes Wrong"?!?!?)

So last week, because eventually he did get white spot on his fins I treated with anti white spot from interpet for a week. that has reduced but yesterday I changed over to Sterzin (basically changed about 90% of the water re started the tank, am checking the water Q obviously)

the sterzin should hopefully sort him according to my LFS.

on the good side he is eating and swimming round more.

GFG

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I don't know if any one cares now! but I thought I 'd up date any way

THe spots have all gone - you can see where they were he has sort of flappy bits hanging off him? maybe slime coat?

The redness round his gills has gone as well.

I am nearly finished the course of Sterzin, this fish has been through the mill, this will be his fourth medication.

He does look skinny and a bit sort of hollow but is swimming (very jumpy) and eating a bit still, so I am hopeful.

GFG

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Of course we care! Well, I do anyway . Its great that he's still alive.
That last bit of info was revealing, I reckon your fish has chilodinella, the peeling is characteristic, you might want to try additional salt treatments to help cure the problem, sterazin may be only partially effective against it.Chilodinella also causes breathing issues, and its a really common infection too.

Good luck!

thanks LHG!

I have now after Wc's started Furanol treatment, I don't know how or if it will work. So far all its talk of being in the fish within hours have come to nothing!

He doesn't look very good.

GFG


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Well he is on his secnd dose of Furanol, looks about the same, perhaps a bit more lively but I could be looking for signs that aren't there to make me feel better about not putting him to sleep.

GFG

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He is still the same, making no improvement.

he eats and now swims around more, but still has the pus filled spots, and now red gills/mouth again.

GFG

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