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Clorox is a brand of bleach. I would assume you could use just about any type of plain bleach, but PLEASE dilute it. 50/50 mix was recommended I believe.

Soaking substrate, Tiny, in bleach, is an easy prodedure...

It will sanitize the gravel, kill all the buggers and save some money.

--garyroland.

tried emergency water exchange, and the population kept going down

he said (actual volume)
What about doing 50% water changes 3 times?
could that be a problem?

Is it a 25 (gallon) LONG or a 25 LITER tank? I have seen both written as "25L".

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I'm not your neighbor, you Bakersfield trash.

gah - gravel's not going to break the bank! Throw the substrate away, much less hassle than trying to muck about bleaching it!



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I like to think that whoever designed marine life was thinking of it as basically an entertainment medium. That would explain some of the things down there, some of the unearthly biological contraptions

mammas got the magic laa la la la la
mammas got the magic of, clorox!

ok, thanks a lot!
i'll try it and report back if there's any trouble.

thanks again!

No Clorox is Israel...

I should have known.

It's a brand name for common bleach here in the States used to get clothes whiter and used to sanitize other items.

--garyroland.

i've been battling a strange and ultimately lethal disease in the last month.

parameters: 25L tank (actual volume), planted
water: amonia and nitrite - ok.
capacity (before the catastrophy hit):
5 zebra danillos
4 serphae tetras
2 dwarf gouramis

the symptoms are lessions in various parts of the body and death within 24 hours. some haven't got the lessions, and just died suddenly. deaths were sparse over a long time. lethality seems to be 100%.
i don't suspect poisoning, because it started with a new fish that i foolishly inserted without any screening into the tank (having a hospital tank when my main tank is 25L is a little troublesome).

tried exchanging 50% of water three times, but the killer is still on the loose.
any ideas what is this thing?
i was thinking about throwing out the whole substrate, taking the remaining fish to sickbay for 3 weeks, and disinfecting it all. how to disinfect the plants without hurting them too much?

what is Clorox?
how can soaking the plants in water enough?

The substrate is soaked for five minutes in a 50-50 mix of Clorox and water...

The tank is wiped down completely with same. The filter and all other contents of the tank are soaked in the same mix of Clorox for five minutes.

Plants are rinsed in warm dechlorinated water and left to soak in new fresh dechlor water for an hour.

Bacteria starter must be added to the newly refilled tank to help restart the cycle and help repopulate the filter media.

--garyroland.

[span class="edited"][Edited by garyroland 2004-07-28 13:54][/span]

i lost 2 more tonight
how exactly do i disinfect my tank?
ok, throw out the substrate - check.
blacklist the shop i got the first sick fish from - check.

should i boil the filter buffer?
should i use alcohol for the glass?
what to do with my plants?

Because your fish may have contracted TB, both internal and exterior, the reasons for obvious lesions, all remaining fish should be destroyed, the tank broken down and all contents disinfected.

Your fish have all the indicators I'm sorry to say.

Internal TB slowly eats away the organs of the fish while the external version shows lesions, some wasting and finally death.

It goes without saying that the disease is highly contageous as you've discovered.

--garyroland.

[span class="edited"][Edited by garyroland 2004-07-27 13:06][/span]

i will have the water parameters later, as i can't find the piece of paper i had last time i checked. i only have a kind of amonia lacmus paper inside, and it has never left the safe level.

the psychological overcrouding seems negligible, because they seem not to care for the other species at all, and occupy different area in the aquarium. the only ones that are mildly affected are the gouramis, and they're already dead (won't have others next time in this setup). the two other species live nicely together.
another factor that makes it possible for them to be overcrouded is the plants i keep (about 75% densely planted).
if it was an overcrouding incident, they shouldn't have lived for over 9 months with 0 deaths and no signs of distress.

the premorbid symptoms were lessions of the skin for the seprphae without blood (seems like some kind of paracite), and bloody lessions under the skin in the abdomen and tail muscles in the affected danillos. some died without any worning too. they seemed to be active and eat till a few hours before death. no lateral imbalance was evident until they were imbalanced permanently.
further inspection of the dead fish showed no apparent damage to the gills or any seen paracite.

the deaths were more frequent than "statistical", but were about a week appart, suggesting it isn't some toxic shock, IMO.

What is the ammonia,nitrite,and nitrate in numbers (ppm).

What symptoms are the fish displaying before they die.

5 zebra danillos
4 serphae tetras
2 dwarf gouramis

I would only keep one group of these fish in a 5 gal..the 5 zebra OR the 4 tetra OR the 2 dwarf gouramis. Even if you maintained the water parameters some way, that is still a lot of bumping into eachother and stress.

I wouldn't break the tank down to disinfect just yet....you kill off your beneficial bacteria and you have a new set of problems. Let's find out what the problem is first.

it is overstocked, but with careful tendering to water quality and combination of the species they were fine for over 9 months when this terrible illness struck

your tank is hugely overstocked (25l = 5g)


What do you have left in the tank? You really should have maybe a betta, or an african dwarf frog or some shrimps in that tank - the fish you have at the moment are unsuitable. You should seriously consider buying a 20 gallon tank to house the suurvivors.

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I like to think that whoever designed marine life was thinking of it as basically an entertainment medium. That would explain some of the things down there, some of the unearthly biological contraptions