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I have had the worst luck with Bettas lately,

Peaches grew two lumps and died, despite briefly imporving with VERY clean water it didn't last and she had a horrible death.
thursday i came home to find my lovely Heaven dead after developing dropsey on tuesday/weds.

And now Bailey has finrot, and looks dreadful (in 2.5 G tank alone 100%WC every 5 days.)

and Blue, my oldest girl has what looks like the start of lumps like peaches had. they both came form the same shop about 1 and a half ago. she is in the 25G although I may move her out to a 2.5 to do daily WCs? try to get rid of what ever it is early? if it came be gotten rid of. Can bettas develop cancer? or could it be some thing else? has anyone ever had their betta develop lumps and survive??

thanks

GFG

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Harvey S. Firestone

Hi again GFG, I'm sorry that we are meeting again here, but let's give this a try...the little fish book I have with me doesn't help much, and well, I'm not running home at the moment to get the other one...but will look and see what it says when i do get home and if it has a suggestion i'll have leslie post it.


You mentioned going to go get some BettaFix, I'd go ahead and get MelaFix, it is the same medication just more diluted...but while you are at the lfs/lps get some PimaFix as well...Read the directions on both bottles and treat the 2 tanks at the same time with both medications...I'd also see about picking up the food that is made by "Jungle" that is medicated, it can't hurt...

OH, and get the other girl into the other 2.5 gallon...it's easier to treat them as hospital tanks, but be sure to scrub it down, and everything else that may have had to do with the other little girl And I'd see about doing water changes every 3rd day or so, of about 50% this way you are keeping the water as prestine as possible while still being able to keep the medication in the tank...don't forget to remove the carbon filter pad, and i'd leave the lights off, to help prevent any undo stress to the girls...

Again if I find anything about lumps on bettas, I'll let you know...

Anyone else ever have this problem? Anyone else have any better solutions?

I'll keep my fingers crossed that it all goes well...

heidi

"I've got a great ambition to die of exhaustion rather than boredom." Thomas Carlyle

hi Houston,

I bought primfix today and have added it to both girls (now both in own 2.5G)

they both have clean water, some floating weed, and a java moss ball and a bridge to hifde under.

Bailey (finrot)has flipped out once this afternoon as in swum round like a loon and smashed in to the gravel??

Blue seems a little freaked in her new tank,she is very still. i can clear see the lump starting. Both fish still ahve their colour which is a good sign I guess.

should I add melafix?

in a two and half G tank I have been adding 1 ml. is that right?

thanks again for all you help

GFG

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Harvey S. Firestone

I would make sure that they have plenty of room to move and not injure themselves in the process...the less stuff, other than plants the better...

Make sure that the girls have their lights off, and are not in a place where they will be easily startled and having someone pass by all the time, that way they are under less stress

When the little girl "flipped out" was there sudden movement going around? That's all I can think of...

And yes, them still having their colors is a positive

Keep an eye on them...and yes, go ahead and add the Melafix to the tank with the Pimafix, but be sure that you are measuring correctly for the tank size, you would rather underdose some than overdose...and as for 1 ml for the tanks, I don't know for sureSorry, my bottle is at home and I'm not there to grab it and check...

Best of luck, heidi

"I've got a great ambition to die of exhaustion rather than boredom." Thomas Carlyle

ok, today Baliey(finrot)looks better, she is swimming and has eaten for most of the time she has been in 2.5G

her tail and fins look a little better and she hasn't freaked out - not that i have seen.


Blue is not so hot, she has lost a bit of colour and isn't hugely interested in food only making a tiny effort to chase the bits.

both fish has had primafix and melafix.

tomorrow I will do a water change and feed them blood worms - the ones in jelly not live (too many germs!)

the lights are off, they do have swimming room although i don't like the tank BLue is in cos it is a hex and too long and thin? any how haven't got anything else Baliey is at least a rectangle.

any opinions on salt - I know Houston, you suggested a salt "drip" do you think that would be too much at the moment?

and should I do a 50% WC or another 100% WC?

thank you again.

GFG

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Harvey S. Firestone

Hi there GFG,
I guess I'm getting kind of attached to Blue and Bailey a bit myself these daysI ended up sitting up till early this morning trying to find something about lumps on betta heads...and the only 2 thinks I found don't necessarily seem right, or at least I am hoping that they are not...

I would avoid the salt for a bit more, unless (you did say that you have small HOBs on both tanks right?) you want to add a couple of grains, really not much at all, but I don't think I would for now, unless they start turning puffy or popeyed...then if you have the HOBs I'd just add the salt granules to it, (the filter pads aren't in there right? it will mess up the melafix/pimafix solution) and let the water current (slow I know) add it that way...

Either way, yes keep treating with the Pimafix/Melafix solution, and when you do the WC I'd only go 50%, and then do 50% every 3 days or so, thus keeping the water as good as possiblewhile still keeping the meds in the water...

Were you able to find the antibacteria food at the lfs/lps? It is supposed to help any infection that the betta babes might be fighting off, along with the pimafix/melafix mix...

If one or both of the girls decide they don't want to eat, I've heard garlic in the food will help increase/create an appetite in them So take the cream/gooey/yucky bloodworms, and add just a tad bit (less than a dash, or even a pinch, more like get a toothpick damp on the tip and stick it in the garlic powder, that amount) and use that toothpick to mix it in with the bloodworms, with the powder...if you can maybe a double dip in the garlic powder depending on how strong the powder smells and tastes...the idea is to get the girls to eat


Now, I hope that it doesn't happen but if it does keep in mind the saline drip if one of the girls starts to go pineconish...

I'm gonna keep looking for some more information on what I found and I'll let you know then...

Keep your fingers crossed, and keep an eye on the girls...I'm glad Bailey is looking better...and let's not give up on Blue (I don't give up easily on anything]:|)
Be Back Soon, heidi

"I've got a great ambition to die of exhaustion rather than boredom." Thomas Carlyle

Hello, jsut an update,

Bailey is doing well! much brighter, and eating like fury. Blue huh not so much, she has White poop - despite food being red. and the lump is making her scales raise slightly she is swimming a bit but not very perky to put it mildly.

I have done the 50%WC today and put in primafix and melafiadded that everyday).

so if its white poop internal infection? I have never cured that

I am also going away for the weekend on a school trip for the weekend, so will get mum to add the meds but won't be able to WC them till monday nihgt?

will just have to hope for the best i guess.

cheers again Houston for the help

GFG

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Harvey S. Firestone

hello,

well came back for my Weekend away and the fish are still alive.

Bailey does look better, Blue's lump is getting worse. I will continue to add the Primafix etc.

any one know what the lump could be? cancer? or some type of infection?

thanks

GFG

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Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself.
Harvey S. Firestone

back again, Bailey's finrot is not worse - although she seems to pooping white stuff which is worrying?

in this pic you can see her finrot is pretty bad....


Blue - has dropseyed really badly can't see the lump any more. i can;t get photos of her that clearly show it- my focus is not great.

goldfishgeek attached this image:


I give attaching photos - i wonder i pay premie membership.

http://photobucket.com/albums/y275/JaneAustensrats/?action=view&current=ScannedPhoto-9.jpg


thats a link to my online photo album, it has two pretty poor photos,

houston am going to use your treatment of Kitten's fish with salt etc to help Blue.

see you
GFG

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Harvey S. Firestone

Hey GFG, how are you?

Sorry to hear about your fish. I've just stumbled on your post by and although I don't know a lot about fish disease, but with the white poop it does sound like internal bacteria or, less likely, internal parasites.

A ram I use dto have had a problem with internal bacteria and what helped her was Waterlife's Octozin which helped a lot. This medication is widely available in the UK. Another good medication for internal bacteria is JBL's furanol which is harder to find, but still available here and there, mainly on line. Furanol will kill your nitrifying bacteria so I would suggest giving the fish a dip as described on the medicine, especially that the fish has already developed dropsy. Furanol comes in pills and I still have some so if you want me to send you a couple of pills PM me your home address and I will post it, hopefully tomorrow.

I think that salt would be useless for anything internal, but it's worth trying anyway.

Cheers,
Golan.

Hi Golan good to "see" you again!

the little clown loach is still doing well.

blue isn't doing very well at all. Bailey seems to be doing well with the WC.

i am going to try the salt thing like i said, i hate dropsey with a passion. i have got Furnol but i am not sure she is strong enough to take it.

see you again

GFG

Last edited by goldfishgeek at 17-Jul-2005 19:13

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Just an update - if anyone is interested!

Blue has made a remarkable recovery, i thought last weekend she was on her way out, i know this was irresponsible but I decided to put her back in the 25G, it is exclusively for mollies now and so has salt in it, about 2 teaspoons per gallon. she had salt in her tank so i didn't think the salt would shock her. i just wanted to have a last swim not in that horrid hex tank.

any how i put her in there on Monday night, by Tuesday she was not pineconing and by Wednesday she looked totally normally, i think she will develop the "cancer" eventually, i can see a very slight raised bump on one side. however like Peaches(bought from the same tank) i don't think there is any thing i can do for her.

i don't recommand this way of curing dropsey but salt is definitely invovled i took a chance putting her back. i am so happy it worked.

Bailey is ok, alive and eating, fins growing back in places her colour is not totally right yet, she seems to have patches of white??

any how Blue is all good now back to her old self. thank you Heidi for the salt suggestions!

GFG

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Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself.
Harvey S. Firestone