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[redneck voice] I don't speak English, I speak American![/redneck voice]

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I'm not your neighbor, you Bakersfield trash.

It sounds horrible. For sure. But in a weird way, it also sounds like getting a tattoo. Of course the difference is we get to CHOOSE if we want one, and where... and as far as I know..they aren't supposed to shorten lifespans (tattoos, that is).

The Hand-painted part worrys me. I love my tank and my fish, but I prefer them to stay in the water, and I don't do well with transporting them to the tank and always worry about them jumpin out...so to hold one (Im assuming) out of water, or in shallow water, and paint them...YUCK..not to mention the stress they go through... I worry that my dog running near the tank is going to be too stressful for them.

But as others have said, those who are not informed, or feel like they need to rescue the fish will continue to buy them, which will mean there is always a demand for them. I think it will just take knowledge to overcome it. That and when you are a high volume breeder,to do that to some fish probably doesnt seem that bad, if they bring you in more money...hey..whats one more? Unlike those of us who get the fish, and instantly get attached to them. It's a horrible practice that should be stopped.

I always feel bad for dyed fish. I would love it if we could get through the thick skulls of these corporate type people who are only interested in money, and get them to stop doing this.

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And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."

They inject colour to the fish & it's like a human being is being injected by a pencil. That's how bad it is.

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Okay, I'm still learning about this hobby, and I can tell from this and other posts that dyed fish are BAD....and I don't plan on buying them...

That said...what is it that they do to the fish? What makes it bad for them? Again, not supporting it, just curious so I can understand why it is so horrible.

Thanks

Scott, I am %110 AGAINST dying fish. I would never buy an animal that 1) I know is going to most likely die soon and 2) been put through a lot of pain. My post was not to support the dying of fish, but rather to get off the back of those who APPEAR to support it. There were so many post that said "I do not go to a certain store because the once sold dyed fish."

Basically, I am saying it is not fair to be 100% against someone because of an ignorant mistake. You don't punish a child for doing something that he or she does not know is wrong. So why yell at someone who basically thinks that the painted fish are just naturally that color. And don't boycott a store because they have them. How do you know they even ordered them? On top of that, it is buisness.

EDIT: The english comment was not a blast against the english, even though you do take things way too far. It was mearly a thought about how you add a letter that completly changes the word. For example, take the word our, as in our homes... Now shouldn't the word harbour be said Harb - our instead of harb - or???? Thats all i was getting at. ALSO Because I am a bad speller, I have no opinion?

Stores may recieve them, even if the store does not want them shipped to them. My LFS gave a whole shipment of them away because they ordered regular glass fish, but because the company was out of them, they shipped painted ones. Since they didn't feel like selling them, someone who gives the store fry every now and then talked to the manager about it and found out what happened and got to "save" them (as they are often the first fish for new aquarist).

[span class="edited"][Edited by racso 2004-04-01 00:04][/span]

*ignoring awful run-on sentences that are bad in ALL versions of English*

I think this thread has gotten off track. Rasco was never FOR fish dying, he was giving some of the opposing points for his persuasive paper he was writing. As he explained in his post, he had to tell both sides of the story while still proving his point. It does not mean that he believed those points to be valid, he just had to figure out how to make them help prove his case.

Are you willing to share the final essay, Rasco? It would be interesting to read.

Actually the Germanic and Latin peoples only added to English which already existed, and that was only to old English which was spoken hundreds of years ago. Now we speak standard English. Standard English means that English is universal across Great Britian with no variatons or slang.

Who colonised your country (I do believe it was us) and you speak a variation of English as you are decended from English people. Every word you speak was invented from us

We'll have a U in colour and you don't have to have a U if you don't want write English correctly.

Actually I would argue that the Germanic peoples and the Latins invented English ... or, really, the Proto-Indo-Europians. C'mon, like it matters in the slightest whether "english" is better than "american" or vice versa. We don't have blood pie; you don't have Paris Hilton. It all evens out in the end.

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Hello Everyone!

I thought I'd post this link (taken from the website of the most successful fishkeeping magazine in the UK - Practical Fishkeeping). It's a campaign the magazine is running, in which you can get your LFS to sign a pledge stating that they will never sell dyed fish on their premises. They then display the signed certificate in their window. I think it's a good idea. The magazine is just as against fish dyeing as most of the people on Fish Profiles are. The good thing is, it's open to everyone, no matter where you are in the world. All you need to do is follow the instructions on the website:

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/campaign.php

*EDIT* Here's the actual article:
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id=72
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I hope the campaign eventually has some effect on the fish dyeing industry - with our help, maybe it will!

My apologies if this link has been posted before.

Scott

[span class="edited"][Edited by scott2336 2004-03-13 13:24][/span]

I Agree with scott2336 i think that dying fish is very, very cruel and there is no justifacation for the procedures. i think that anyone who seriuosly consider buying dyed fish shouldn't call them selves fish keepers or fish lovers as real fish keepers or lovers would accept fish as they are naturally and love them for that and the buyers of dyed fish degrades all fish keepers. As for the English peoples language, we were the ones who invented the language and spread it around the world only to be distorted especially by the Americans and therefore no other english speaking country has the right to critise our language it is the rest of you who cannot speak or write it properly. You should be a lot more torlerant of ways different peoples speak the language. Thats my opinion on the matter. And i shall speak nothing else on it.




[span class="edited"][Edited by scocky 2004-03-22 12:27][/span]

Rasco; are you saying that you are FOR fish dyeing?:

-Most people don't know the procedure in which the fish are "painted"

Just because they don't know of the procedureS (note: plural) which are used to dye fish personally, why shouldn't they believe the hundreds of thousands of other fish-keepers that do ... or better still ... shouldn't they attempt to find out before deciding which side they're on? Just because you don't know, it doesn't mean you just forget about it!

-To many, they are very pretty fish

Very pretty fish that may lose their very pretty colours over time or die prematurely due to the stress from the dyeing process. How would you like to be injected with dye underwater (our equivalent to being out of water for the fish) or soaked in a dyeing solution which would almost suffocate you ... and then hear someone say 'But you're very pretty!'? Blah!

-Many people have the wrong idea of rescuing (such as buying fish from a certain something-mart)(this results in the fish being purchased being saved, but on the other hand, promotes the sell of them)

They wouldn't need to be saved if they weren't dyed in the first place.

-Many LFS do no order them, but will recieve them as "filler fish" to take up the spots of backordered fish

Yet again, if the practice was stopped, then they wouldn't receive them as 'Back-Orders' or, if they were interested enough to care about the welfare of the fish, they would instruct the supplier not to send these fish.

You English people confuse me with your way of thinking and the addition of a U between a o and a r (color = colour)

We English people use standard English, not like there's anything wrong with American English, but our English is 'proper' English, as they say.

And, from a person that makes a spelling mistake every few words, I don't think you're in a position to criticise our spelling and grammar techniques.

Let's not begin a unpleasant argument, Rasco! But my views are quite strong on this subject (before I was neutral)!

Scott



[span class="edited"][Edited by scott2336 2004-03-16 09:46][/span]

I've seen alot of dyed fish in my local fish shop. Its bad enough to have one species which is dyed. When I went there to check on their fish stocks the other day. They had atleast 4 tanks full of 4 different types of dyed fish! They already know the fish are dyed but they just dont care, they keep on stocking them in.

For the people who know me, they will know which shop it is. Its my previous work place. Very disgusting! ]:|

I have never seen a dyed Kryptopterus... only dyed Ompok... I'm glad the Kryptopterus sp. haven't been hit, but it's bad that there is dying at all...

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Racso, whose language is it?

Since I just wrote a paper where I had to pursuade a topic by using my argument and the opposing argument (very hard to pursuade someone when you are telling BOTH sides of the story). So in light of that, I am going to defend the people who do buy painted glass fish and the stores that sell them, even though I have never done so (i learned about it before I evan had a chance to buy any even If I wanted some)

-Most people don't know the procedure in which the fish are "painted"

-To many, they are very pretty fish

-Many people have the wrong idea of rescuing (such as buying fish from a certain something-mart)(this results in the fish being purchased being saved, but on the other hand, promotes the sell of them)

-Many LFS do no order them, but will recieve them as "filler fish" to take up the spots of backordered fish



This is a side note but did anyone who read the article find it odd that they had to use a microscope to see where the paint was. I mean, is it obvious that the paint is INSIDE the fish. To me, the paints look like gels. You English people confuse me with your way of thinking and the addition of a U between a o and a r (color = colour)

[span class="edited"][Edited by racso 2004-03-15 20:20][/span]

Luckily it doesnt seem to be very common here in Sweden. Ive only seen one single little dyed fish in the maybe 20 LFS ive been to. (That place was bad in other aspects as well.)

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So here I am once more...

I'm also against Dyed Fish & i also think that most, if not all Fish Profiles members are.

Here in Malta, Dyed Glass Fish sell like hot cakes. It's really a pity. Last Thursday i saw about 30 Dyed Glass Fish & a local fish store & by yesterday they where all gone. People just like the colours & don't really care how it's done.

I've also seen Dyed Gourami & Parrot Fish. More fish are being Dyed & this must be stopped. ]

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I agree that dying fish (glass fish) is very cruel. I happen to love glass catfish and I'd hate to see any of them suffer.