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whoah - it never says that explicitly

Your daddy kills animals if he goes fishing. That is a statement of fact, just written in emotive language

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I like to think that whoever designed marine life was thinking of it as basically an entertainment medium. That would explain some of the things down there, some of the unearthly biological contraptions

so if calm and rational doesent work....tell some kids their parents are murderers?

umm, gfg - that's not what i said


I said that i find this concerted campaign against environmental groups, who are consistendly discredited, until, in many cases, overwhelming evidence proves they are right, a serious issue. And yes, the same thing happened to the Feminist movement, but not, IMO, the gay rights movement. However, interestingly, the feminist movement was quite linked to the fledgling environmental movements of the day.

KatieB - what happens when "calm and rational" no longer works? Amnesty International has consistently been calm and rational, and is now mostly sidelined. The mainstream STWC was calm and rational, and the point (which is now so tragically being proved) was not made.

What do you do when nobody will listen? How many of the groups that are now "calm and rational" will cease to be calm and rational as they are ignored more forcefully?

In an increasingly hollow age, calm and rational will work less and less well. After all, are the Establishment calm and rational about the issues they seek to address? No!

(the above is not to be taken in any way as demonstrating my personal attitude towards PETA)

Last edited by tiny_clanger at 04-Dec-2005 15:19

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I like to think that whoever designed marine life was thinking of it as basically an entertainment medium. That would explain some of the things down there, some of the unearthly biological contraptions

Katieb, I was referring to Tiny Clanger's view that the animal rights are discredited more tham other groups, I disgree and was pointing out it takes a long time for new ideas to be accepted.

And I do think that many people think the idea of animals having rights is ridiculous, other wise the movement educating people to think differently would not be neccessary.

GFG

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"I would disagree with that, think about the Gay rights movement or the way Femminists of the 1960s were treated. these issues were once considered ridculous."

I don't think anyone thinks Animal Rights is a ridculous issue these days. However PETA is the most vocal AR group and give the good groups a bad image. No one wants chickens to be stomped on or dogs to be bred to fight each other. What we need to do, is to make sure people know PETA is nuts. We need to inform the public of abuses that still occur today in a calm and intelligent manner. We've come a long way, we can't let groups like PETA stop us now.

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If you sing to me in French.

id rather talk to the founder of the ALF than PETA, theyve always been kinda but still that would traumatize kids and could have some major reprecussions, such as if a kid has a few fish in a tank and he sees this comic he will get frightened that daddy will tear apart his betta or other fish that he will try and release the fish into the wild. andd besides PETA kills more animals than it saves.]
Animals arent defensless they are each armed with unique weapons such as beaks, teeth, spines, hooves, and you get the point, all i am sayin is that thhis is an extremely controversal comic that will tramatise kids in to hating their parents, there is also a comic called "your mommy kills animals" and it shows a mom hacking a rabbit apart. PETA is sad. Kid+PETA=