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I scored a new tank today after months of asking for assent on the folks' part. I went out and bought a twenty gallon long, but nothing else. I'll probably pick up the rest of the supplies at work over the next day or two since I get a discount. I'm psyched about the whole deal, but not firm on what I plan to do. So far I'm thinking about breeding something and working along the lines of this:

Penguin filter
Fluorescent strip light with two bulbs totalling forty watts
Typical heater, maybe a Stealth
White sand substrate
Hardy plants like Java fern and Anubias barteri
Driftwood?
Cycling product, either Stability or Bio-spira

That's the tentative plan. I'm looking at mainly catfish for breeding (though I may try some of the Apistogrammas I saw today, A. macmasteri) and specifically Corydoras or a small pleco species. Hypancistrus plecos like L260 were tops on the latter list, and all I know about the cories is that I don't want super-common ones. I'm open to any suggestions about the tank, nothing is set in stone.

Continual updates to follow, hopefully this log doesn't get lost in General Freshwater. Thanks in advance for any help.

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Sounds cool, Good luck with everything. Keep us posted!

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sirbooks,

Sounds like a fun new project for you .

I cannot advise you too much on sand and your fish options, but I have the 40W over a 20G long as well. Take a peek at [link=My Log]http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/forums/Aquascaping/63901_3.html?200512290816" style="COLOR: #ff6633[/link] if you have some time. You can grow way more than just the basic low light plants.

Also, driftwood is always good . It would be a perfect base for the hardy plants you would like to add, the Fern and the Anubias (btw, Nana would be better suited size-wise).

Hope this helps a little in your decision makings,

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I'm not sure yet if I'll go with ferts at all, and I won't use CO2. Would ferts and no CO2 still boost the health of plants and scare off algae, or would CO2 be necessary? This tank will be fish-focused, but it would be neat to have a plant aquascape that isn't oogly like my other one. Also, sand is allegedly not good for the roots of many plants. That's why I was mainly looking at the tough ones.

None of the nearby shops have Queen arabesque plecos in right now. I want to get this tank set up fairly quickly, so I dunno how long I'll wait to stock it. I may just turn to the Internet for fish, sites like [link=http://LiveAquaria.com]http://LiveAquaria.com" style="COLOR: #808080[/link] and [link=http://Fish2u.com]http://Fish2u.com" style="COLOR: #808080[/link] look like the likely suspects. Any comments on these sites, or on any others that you folks have had experiences with? Thanks again.



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sirbooks,

I never bought fish online (yet), so I cannot help you with this.

Adding CO2 to your tank is absolutely not required. Adding ferts (and Flourish Excel as a carbon source) would still help your plants health and growth. But, unlike high tech tanks, you only need to add once, maybe twice a week.

Algae, in general, should be much less of an issue in such a tank as it is in a high tech tank. You know, the higher the risk the greater the fall .

Not having heard too many good things about growing plants in sand is one reason I suggested the driftwood (that you indicated you might or might not add) as you can tie fern, anubias, and moss nicely onto it.

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I hear that string is the way to go with driftwood-based plants, because it'll rot away after a couple of months. If I find some that I like, then I think I may go with the wood after all.

For fertilizers, would Flourish work? Is it best used in concert with Flourish Excel? I can get both from the shop.

Hopefully the algae won't bother me, it isn't a real problem in my current tank. I have some short green fur, green spot algae, and some black brush stuff. None of these is very prolific though. Unlike the snails.

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I am not so sure if Flourish by itself would work, but the Flourish line (Nitrate, Phosphate, Potassium, Iron, Flourish, Trace, and Excel) will for sure work.

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I have a site suggestion for your Queen Arabesque Pleco:

http://www.exoticfinds.net/plecos.html

They have the best looking, hard to find plecos and Blue is great to work with...just ask Cup of Lifenoodles. I bought my scribble pleco (supposed to be L-129 turned out to be L-318) from there. Excellent experience. I highly recommend!!





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You can tie the Anubias onto Driftwood with fishing line.

Try to breed some type of "hard to findCorydoras.


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My mind is fickle. Now I've ruled out breeding any fish but cories or some type of pleco, still undecided on species. Any opinions on which would do best with white sand and the other stuff mentioned? Pleco poop will probably show up pretty well, but I bet plecs would like the driftwood somewhat. If I do buy fish from the 'Net, I'd probably end up paying about the same price for a shoal of Corydoras or a pair of plecos.

I may try a top-dwelling Characin like hatchetfish, who I presume would leave any eggs alone. Opinions?



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Don't add ferts or CO2 if you plan on breeding anything. The best source of plecos, I maintain, is still online. Neither fish2u nor liveaquaria are known for their prices and service (well, former and latter, respectively). I've tried frybabies.com before for L270s, 34s, and adolfis, and I CANNOT reccommend them enough. Not only are their shipping, prices (wholesale directly, so you can get adolfis at like, 5 bucks a pop), and selection good, they have both exotic corydoras and plecos (queen a's for 18 buck? Get outta town!) en masse. E mail Julie and let her know Jon forwarded you. If any tankmates, I'd consider only guppies (free food for the plecos ad cories) or smaller tetras that you seem to be fond of (cardinals are a favorite). Of course, there's always aquabid as well.



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Thanks for that. I knew the CO2 wouldn't be advantageous to the fish, but I'm clueless about plant ferts. Just too lazy to deal with them most of the time.

Frybabies, eh? Thanks for the reference, I've never been there before.

I did see some four cm garnet tetras at the store yesterday (And eight cm Brochis multiradiatus that blew my mind! Almost $30 per though), but I'm iffy on the tetras because I think they would be trouble with Corydoras eggs. I'll look through the site for more ideas.

I appreciate all the help, keep it coming!



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Tetras would be a poor choice for tankmates, they often will work in a group, some distracting the parents, while the others divebomb the eggs or fry. Your cories or apistos won't like that much !

With a 20ga only and no fry growout tanks, space is very limited here. You'll need to make a species tank with one pair of fish, and maybe a few WELL researched dithers and cleaners. (semi-community breeding tank) And you'll prob find yourself culling some fry as well as pulling some eggs to avoid overcrowding as the others grow out (for about 3 months). If not using sponge filters, you'll need a pre-filter sponge over the intake tube of your hob filter so the fry won't get sucked up. If your eggs don't hatch you'll need to soften your water and keep it that way. R/O water, co2 or peat are a few ways.

A pair of apistos or Bristlenose Plecos would be ideal to breed in a 20g long. Clay pots will be needed for BN's and cave spawning apistos.. Flat rocks and or sand patches for apistos that are substrate spawners. Hope any of this helps. Good luck and enjoy your new venture

ps - I'm not familiar with cories breeding requirements sorry !

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Quick link re corydoras for you

[link=http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/breedpan.htm]http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/breedpan.htm" style="COLOR: #FFFFFF[/link]

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"Tetras would be a poor choice for tankmates..."

Yep, that's why I was looking at hatchetfish. I don't think any fish besides the breeders would be necessary though, so I'm still undecided.

"With a 20ga only and no fry growout tanks, space is very limited here. You'll need to make a species tank with one pair of fish, and maybe a few WELL researched dithers and cleaners. (semi-community breeding tank)"

Either one pair of plecos or a group of Corydoras would likely be the only critters in the tank. I figure that will allow me a bit more room to work with the fry, especially since the adult fish would all be small as well.

Funny thing is, I'm worried about setting up the tank more than I am about the actual breeding. I'm probably being cocky, but I think that if I get everything set up right then the breeding will be the easy and fun part. After all, a lot of these fish aren't as problematic to breed as we are led to believe. Giving them their own tank and concentrating on breeding can crack the puzzle.



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Hatchetfish are jumpers, watch that when you're doing the several water changes this tank will need

If you go plecos for breeding, choose a species that stays small. The reason I suggested BN's, one of my friends breeds them.. She makes more selling bn's then the ram, apisto and angel breeders I know. That tells me she's onto something...

For the most part there is no puzzle to crack for breeding. All the info is out here in the net, spend a couple hours, make notes. Breeding is this, water quality, diet, a fertile pair, enough space, and HEALTHY fish. Do I think you're being cocky ? Of course not ! Confidence stemmed from research/knowledge is not a bad thing..

Good point about setting up the tank right. Provide a healthy environment for the fish and spawnings occur even when people don't plan for it. When you plan for it, that's when it may not occur, leading to frustration. Yin/Yang.

But yes sometimes problems occur, then have a puzzle to crack.. What caused this ? Did the eggs not hatch ? Were they fertile ? What's the ph/gh/kh ? Make notes of it. Is there water movement near the eggs or are they in a 'still' area ? Were they eaten by the parents or tankmates ? Why ? What needs to be adjusted ? Be curious.

Research, ask questions, try different things, starting with a 'tried and true' setup, then customize what works for you or better suits your situation or your fishes situation.. Taking a break now.... Tired........ Almost Friday
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All righty, I picked up some of the goods tonight. Ordered a basic iron stand, got a two bulb strip light (a mere thirty-four watts), Stealth 100 heater, the glass lid, a Penguin something filter, thermometer, extra Prime, and five bags of sand for twenty-five pounds total. I was feeling lighthearted after buying the stuff (or maybe the wallet was, I can't remember) but at least I got almost everything out of the way.

Only new question is, what's the best way to rinse the sand and get it settled in the tank? It's Estes aquarium sand, not the real cheapie stuff. I do know not to run the filter and that the tank might get a bit cloudy, but I've never tried sand before. Tips are appreciated.

EDIT: No reply from Frybabies.com to my e-mail, sent over thirty hours ago.

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I think Julie's on vacation right now.

EDIT: Sand may not be the greatest idea in breeding tanks. It doesn't trap debris as well as it could and is just a pain to maintain in general.

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Heh, that'll explain it. I'm particularly interested in the Corydoras similis, C. sterbai, and L260 plecs from the site. If I don't buy from there, I may try [link=http://Alloddballaquatics.com]http://Alloddballaquatics.com" style="COLOR: #808080[/link]. It's more expensive and Mr. Bodrock doesn't carry plecos, but they had a few interesting Corydoras species on the list when I last asked. He also was very polite when corresponding, so I'm inclined to view the business favorably.

Sand will probably be more trouble than it's worth, but I really want to try the look. If I go with Corydoras, it should be easier since there won't be huge fish kicking it up or decorating with long strings of poop.



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For Sand, all you have to do is rinse it in a bucket & do this prosedure a couple of times, till the water after rinsing is clear. It will cloud your tank a bit & don't run the filter for 24 hours, but it will be clear & you shouldn't have any problems.


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