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mughal113 Big Fish Posts: 343 Kudos: 160 Votes: 64 Registered: 16-Jun-2006	http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k96/mughal113/29g/plant2.jpg The plant looks exactly like regular vallisneria but is much (much) smaller. Maximum leaf size is 3 inches and they grow more horizotally. I got some of them from a friend and they are now three times the original number in a month. Thanks
Posted 01-Apr-2007 08:20
LITTLE_FISH *** Little Fish *** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005	I think it is not a Val at all. I believe it is either Echinodorus tenellus - Pygmy chain sword or Sagittaria subulata - Narrow Leaf Sag. Google the images for these two species and you will know what it is Ingo Proud Member of the New Jersey Aquatic Gardeners Club
Posted 01-Apr-2007 10:32
mughal113 Big Fish Posts: 343 Kudos: 160 Votes: 64 Registered: 16-Jun-2006	Hi LF, Its definitely not a sag. Looks much closer to E.tenellus. If it really is E.tenellus, i'm very happy I got this plant. Was looking for it for a long time. Anyway, its growing in nice and full and is multiplying quickly too. Thank you very much.
Posted 01-Apr-2007 11:19
mughal113 Big Fish Posts: 343 Kudos: 160 Votes: 64 Registered: 16-Jun-2006	I've just read somewhere that Sags and Echinodorus species can be differentiated on the basis of the runners they produce. If the runners are above or near the top of the substrate, it should be an Echinodorus. And if the runners "run" below the surface, it has to be a Sag. Anybody to confirm that?
Posted 02-Apr-2007 11:18
LITTLE_FISH *** Little Fish *** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005	I can confirm that, and this is why I listed the tenellus first as I saw a runner in your picture Nevertheless, having had both in my 125G, I happened to have observed various times runners on the sags above the substrate. I think though that tenellus is almost always above the substrate, with very few exceptions (which may hve been caused by the accidental burrying of a runner during vacuuming, not sure). Ingo Proud Member of the New Jersey Aquatic Gardeners Club
Posted 02-Apr-2007 13:03
NowherMan6 Fish Master Posts: 1880 Kudos: 922 Votes: 69 Registered: 21-Jun-2004	At first it looked like that broad-leaf tennellus variety, but the neons add some nice scale. Looks like regular tenellus to me Although, IME once the tennellus settled in, runners also started popping up under the substrate, so it's not a catch-all way of differentiating. *Back in the saddle!*
Posted 02-Apr-2007 13:42
LITTLE_FISH *** Little Fish *** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005	Edited by LITTLE_FISH I think we have to point Mr. Tenellus to this thread mughal113 - If you want to, just point Mattyboombatty to this thread, he lives and breathes Tenellus. Ingo Proud Member of the New Jersey Aquatic Gardeners Club
Posted 02-Apr-2007 13:46
mughal113 Big Fish Posts: 343 Kudos: 160 Votes: 64 Registered: 16-Jun-2006	I have sent a nudge to the "Tenellus Obsessor". Hopefully he'll jump in to solve the mystery As far as the runners are concerned, yes, they stay above the substrate. You've got a great eye, LF And Nowherman6, the leaves do look wider than what I've seen in photographs. Thank u all.
Posted 02-Apr-2007 14:02
mattyboombatty Moderator Tenellus Obsessor Posts: 2790 Kudos: 1507 Votes: 1301 Registered: 26-Mar-2004	I'm not positive, but it looks kinda like tenellus. Kinda looks like sag too....It's a weird angle looking through the glass. The tenellus I'm used to is more narrow and more pointy. I'm aware of a few different varieties though, so that may be the case. And from what I'm aware of, the runner thing is a prety reliable way to tell as well. If your friend bought the plant as emersed growth I know how that looks and should be much different from sag. It's has very long spade like leaves at that point. Overall I'd agree with everyone and say it's tenellus. Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients
Posted 02-Apr-2007 18:36
mughal113 Big Fish Posts: 343 Kudos: 160 Votes: 64 Registered: 16-Jun-2006	Thanks Matty. I think I'm gonna wait for it to grow and see if it can fill up the front corner of my tank. So far its looking in good shape and sending out runners at good speed. Thanks everyone for ur time.
Posted 03-Apr-2007 19:18
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005	I do not have much experince with tenellus.... but I think it kind of looks like sag. I think it is the rounded leaf tips. Just my 2 cents. 55G Planted tank thread 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric
Posted 03-Apr-2007 22:57
mughal113 Big Fish Posts: 343 Kudos: 160 Votes: 64 Registered: 16-Jun-2006	Here are some more pics. http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k96/mughal113/29g/IMG_1683.jpg http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k96/mughal113/29g/IMG_1684.jpg http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k96/mughal113/29g/IMG_1685.jpg I think the sag leaves are a bit more fleshy than these. Anyway, i'm no expert.
Posted 05-Apr-2007 09:42
LITTLE_FISH *** Little Fish *** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005	mughal113, It doesn't really matter which one you have Both are looking almost the same, both are equally intrusive and propagate throughout the tank if not maintained, both make a nice fore to midground plant, whereby the Sags in my experience tend to get a little taller than the Tenellus. So, I would say that you should label them Tenellus until proven otherwise. One way this may happen if the plant starts to flower. I have seen Sags do that but not Tenellus. Sags create a little stem that shoots up towards the surface and then has a white small flower at the end. Ingo Proud Member of the New Jersey Aquatic Gardeners Club
Posted 05-Apr-2007 13:28
mughal113 Big Fish Posts: 343 Kudos: 160 Votes: 64 Registered: 16-Jun-2006	It doesn't really matter which one you have Yeah it really doesn't matter. Its just about getting to know what u have in ur tank.
Posted 05-Apr-2007 13:44


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