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Hirsty
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why does everyone doubt me?
i really have no reason to lie about these eggs.
i came back to this site for help and advice
now i have pics up can people please help me?
all i want to do is rear them - with the next batch of eggs (if any) i'm getting a rearing tank set up

James < getting fed up with all the doubters

EH UP!!!
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Sktchy
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well I sure as heck believe you now!
the trouble is, I'm not sure anyone really knows much about how to take care of the eggs. Since It's so uncommon for them to breed in the first place. still, good job. that's an impressive thing to have done. if the older ones are getting bigger I would guess that they have been fertilized. just wait a while and they should (might) hatch.
when they do hatch I wanna see pics of the babies too!
not because I doubt you, just because I always love seeing the baby pics.
speaking of which, would you mind post a pic of your loaches, if you can get one that is. they've got to be in good shape.

proud father of a bunch of baby haps. http://picasaweb.google.com/Sktchy/BABIES
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EditedEdited by Natalie

What other fish are in the tank? Are there any other fish that the eggs could possibly belong to? I'm not doubting you, the eggs certainly don't look like anything I've seen, with the floating and everything.

What are your water parameters (as many as possible... Hardness, pH, temp, nitrate, etc), and what is your tank maintenance schedule?

I don't have any advice other than keep the tank clean (i.e. no rotting food) to keep the eggs from fungusing, and keep the parameters as stable as possible. Then you'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Good luck with them.



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I think the whole thing is really neat, and I wouldn't doubt you. It seems that you have plenty of eggs to deal with. I would geuss that you treat them like any other fry... into a a small tank with ity bity live food and crushed flakes later. I would think that they would enjoy java moss because of all the small creatures that attach to it, and I think that they come from the same region in the wild. I hope some of this helps.

-Vincent
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Hey Hirsty, how old are the eggs now? Is there any indication that they are viable? Obviously there isn't much information available about the proper methods necessary to get the fry to hatch out as it is such a rare occurrence.

Looking at the pictures, there was no way to determine if there is any embryo development going on.

Jim



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Wow... Amazing...
Hatching them is another issue. First of all congrats on getting them to breed! Hope to see the pics of the fry soon.
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OMG, your serious, I have no idea what I would do except for may be rejoice and ensure I post lots of info from my experience at loaches.com

I guess the standard baby brine shrimp should work.

What on earth got them to spawn, some tips please

Guess we need ur help and advice now
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Cup_of_Lifenoodles
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The reason doubt is flung around is probably due to the fact that the occurence is so rare, and that many individuals, even on this site, have attempted to con and fake a spawning. You can't really blame us for that.

Anyways, good lcuk with the eggs, though this batch (if they are indeed botia eggs) appears to be infertile, as all botiids have roe colored somwhere in the spectrum of blue-green and are translucent.
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Right, now it's time for some hard work that sin't related to the actual rearing of the eggs.

Somewhere along the line, your Clown Loaches have spawned. Consequently, they have experienced conditions that constitute a spawning trigger for the species. Your job now, apart from raising any eggs that do turn out to be fertile, and taking some pics of the fry, is to work out what conditions in your aquarium constituted the spawning trigger. Which means going over every tiny detail of the conditions in your aquarium, no matter how trivial they may seem, and then conducting experiments to see if replication of those parameters results in repeat spawns.

Among the questions you shoud ask are:

Is stability of water conditions a factor, or variation of water conditions? (For example, many Corydoras species are stimulated into spawning by a large water change and a 2 degree Celsius temperature drop). Did this spawning occur immediately after a water change, for example, or after a change of filter media (for example, you decided to try out peat filtration for fun)? Check EVERY tiny detail, no matter how mundane or positively idiotic you think it is, because somewhere in that mass of detail is the key to replicating your spawning and possibly being able to spawn your Clown Loaches in a controlled and predictable fashion. Which will be a MAJOR advance if you can achieve it, and will garner you a LOT of fame (and possibly even fortune!).

You could find, upon investigating all of these details, that the key factor turns out to be something really wacky that no-one has tried before, such as carefully selecting a particular snail species for the fish to eat. This is just ONE example of the kind of boundary-pushing thinking you have to engage in here.

Once you have the spawning trigger in place, next step is egg rearing and hatching. From what I can gather above, if these eggs are neutrally bouyant and don't sink, then this offers some clues as to how to proceed. If the eggs are mobile enough to be carried downstream, it's just possible that they require brief exposure to changes in water chemistry to facilitate hatching. WHAT changes in water chemistry are needed is, of course, wide open to experimentation and could involve you in several years' research to find the right combination, but persevere, and fame is yours!


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Wow, i have to admit, i did not believe you at first. This is somewhat explainable due to all the hoaxes on the internet i have seen about people breeding their clown loaches. You supplied the evidence. Next time they breed(hopefully) take photos of it. Breeding clown loaches definitely something i would like to accomplish in my future carrer in the field of fishery science/ aquaculture. I have to finish out these last few months of high school though
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Hmm, you're right Cass. I didn't notice that the eggs were buouyant. All toher accounts of premature egg release in botia (note: not spawning), indicate that the eggs are sinkers, which further lends itself to the probability that the showcased eggs are either infertile or from something else. If not, then good luck, regardless.
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hirsty i know because every single cichlid that i have bred whafts the eggs with his/her tail to keep them moving, an airstone did the same job when i bred bettas so i thought it would work with clown loaches.
yeah, the person with the green writing hit it spot on, something will have triggered the spawning process, i know its minimal but is there anychance of you remembering the weather that night/day? wifey might have a diary? (sorry girlfriend)may have been a change in water temperature in a particular fashion that has induced spawning. bought any new plants recently?from where? go there and ask them where they came from and look in the tank where the plants are kept for the snails, if they arent the normal ones you've got it, but i doubt that is the case, its probably something stupid like your powerhead stopped working in a powercut and perhaps in nature they moved off to calmer, cooler waters. who knows man.
you will know if the male is fertilizing them because he will be swimming behind her spraying white stuff everywhere, but it would be hard to miss...the fertilization of most eggs that ive seen (although most have been cichlids i point out) is a thin milky cosistancy, slightly translucent. filter 'll have it away in no time dude.
Mez
p.s. - hirsty, its no use telling people i'll back you up, nobody knows who i am anyway now, and without all the badges i used to have i'm just an amateur!
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Whoa, no advice, but congratulations! More updates and pics with them would be nice =D
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