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Here is Cali, resting after spawning, she is sitting in the micro sword.

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Here is one of the other females, Big Mama, the mother of the fry in the breeder box, sitting among the crypts.

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I really like that tank Punk! It has evolved so much from the first pic that I saw of it. some time ago.

You named one of the females Cali........

Looks great Ryan!

Thanks Patty, yea it has grown in some, and I added more plants, I think I need more though.

Thanks for the comliment Scott.

Ryan , more plants are always good But it looks like you have enough so its not need just want

Big Mama looks very content amd happy in your care and is obviously having a good time

Well done and keep the baby count coming .

Garry

12th Spawning 6/26/07
Mother: Debbie

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I cant belive how fertile these girls have been lately. Must be something good here in the water. Or all those bloodworms they eat for dinner every night. This is Debbies second spawning this week!

Unfortunately I came in the house after a swim today to find the little guy who had been weak dead. It was sad. But there are lots of eggs to choose from!

Baby Update:

Big Mamas 3, 28 day olds are just amazing! The twins as I call them (the two that ae very large and look ALMOST exactly alike) will soon(and I mean soon) be ready to go into the man tank. I may put them in after I get rid of the algae in the tank (now that I figured out what is causing soo much) so they be introduced into an algae free world lol(dont think they will care all that much but oh well). Dud, as I have been calling him, isnt doing as well as his monstrous, over powering siblings. They are now maybe almost triple his size (and lardliness) dont know if he will make it to the main tank . Time for names! The babies must have names like the adults, it wiill be a write of passage for them to get into the main tank. They are easier to tell apart because one is a teeny tiny bit larger and has darker stripes while the other is ateeny tiny bit smaller and has lighter stripes. Any suggestions?

I want to thank all who have been active in this log.
- There is much more to come!!

Danny,Jessie and Little Man?

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Ryan , sounds like the 3 Stooges to me Larry , Curley & Moe..

Garry

Hehe thanks Garry and shadow for the great names!

I suppose I should wait for them to be old enough to be sexed before I name them. So they can can be named appropriately.

I will keep Dud as Dud. As I feel he wont make it to adulthood .

The two large fry look like miniature parents. They have complete black stripes. I was conimplating releasing them into the wild but decided to wait a few more weeks.

Thanks all.

I picked Danny and jessie because they can be male or female names

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Looks like your panda crew is quickly growing punk
Also its nice to see how much the plants in your tank grew in. I hope the spawining continues.

-Vincent

Well the big moment arrived yesterday. The day the fry were released . They are doing wonderfully. No one seems to be bothering them ,and they are staying together. I was suprised to see them swimming in mid water at one point. They mostly stay among the microsword feeding on whatever goodies they can find in there. Unfortunately Dud did not make it to this point .

I see a new egg is the java moss, not sure whos it is as I was gone so I wont count a spawning.

Thanks Bud and Shadow for the replies, yup they are very prolific.

Members of the Panda Herd are now:

Big Mama
Wasabi
Debbie
Warren
Cali
Fry 1
Fry 2

Once the fry get big enough to sex I will name them.

Ryan , Fantastic for the two fry , sorry about Dud though
Hope they settle into the herd and give you many hours of fun .
Great chatting tonight btw had to take a phone call by the time I got back everyone had gone
Enjoy
Garry

Ok so a big update:

Both fry are doing well. Although occasionally being chased by the baby flag fish there have been no other scares. The two of them are mainly staying in the java ferns close to where the adult group stays. I see them every now and then come out together. Which is good that they have stayed together this whole time. They look EXACTLY like adult pandas only teensie tiny compared to the adults. I'd say they measure in at 15 mm or so. While there mom is a whopping 2 inches. So the fry have a ways to go. They eat at feeding time. Lol I sometimes see them carrying around a whole brineshrimp in thier mouths. They have tried to school with the adults but get too scared most times.

The adults are doing well. They seem very happy with each other. They are a small family growing.

13th Spawning 7/7/07
Mother: Cali

14th Spawning 7/7/07
Mother: Debbie

Lol seems like it was a lucky day!

I have saved 4 eggs from the spawning frenzy last night. I wil start the baby raising all over again. Hope you all enjoy this as much as I do.

Awww they spawned on my birthday

Mabye,if you get any survivors...Name one Shadow or Julie



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I love the name Shadow for a Panda cory, great name. Julie is a great name, just not to fishy. Thanks for the reply Shadow.

Hey Ryan , more eggs , more babies fantastic . Gotta be happy with that .

Glad to hear the fry are doing well , if you call one Shadow maybe you should call the other one Dancer.
( sorry old rock and roll song, couldn't resist )

Keep up the good work .

Garry

Ryan, great stuff man, congrats on the new fry again! It looks like your breeding program is a big success. Are you planning to sell the youngin's?

Scott,

No, I want to get my panda herd numbers up first, then once I get as many as I want and that will be comfy in my tank then I will most likely stop saving eggs. Maybe when I get older and have the equipment to raise large quatities of fry to sell then yes I will be selling them , but right now the fry I am raising are just for me.

Lol Garry


Eggs are at day two of development, see the little grey embryos not yet looking like tiny fish yet, but around the end of day three (tomorrow) they usually show some visible signs of living creatures (eyes, dark patches).


Big Mama continues to fill with eggs so we should be seeing a large nuber of eggs soon. In which I will be keeping around 6 eggs. The reason I keep so many eggs from her is that she was my first panda (emotional ties), she survived the problems I had with my first batch of pandas (mucus sheddings,finrot, and some got stuck in a tank ornament and died). But that was back at the begining of my panda days. I have been keeping them for about 8 months now so I like to think I am more experienced. But anways she was also the first to breed, she was the mother of the 9 week old fry I raised that died with alot of the panda herd in the Chilodonella outbreak, and she is a little cute hammy girl!

Anyways, pandas will always be my favorite fish and I am always happy to share my experiences with them with all of you

I will have to take a pic of the rescaped tank to show you all.

ahh ok Ryan, well so far, a job well done, thanks for shedding some light on that!

Your welcome Scott.

Well, all is going well, the embryos are looking excellent. They have darkened and are begining the twirling thing they do.

Here is a pic of the 3 girls hanging out.
Such hotties.



From left to right: Debbie, Cali, and Big Mama.
-getting away from the men for a while (and kids)

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Ryan , you have a hens club , senastional .
Well done mate . They are such cuties .
I gotta get some of these guys . Very rare where I am .

Good luck with the new batch.
Garry

Lol, if you werent so far away and if I wasnt so broke I would send you my next batch.

Yes I do see the females getting away from it all and hiding in the denser parts of the tank away from the roudy boys. Ecspecially Big Mama she is one for the spa days in the anubias.

I like that picture, and its nice if you can tell them apart so easily, I have so much hardscape that i may not see the same one for a week because they just have so many places to hide if they want to.
the picture really shows the social behavior that pandas have.

-Vincent

Bud thanks for the reply,

I have to agree, I used to have so many larger rocks and a carpet of micro sword I could hardly see them. So I rearranged my scape to make my pandas more viewable. It has changed alot since that photo I took a while back in this log. They dont seem to mind me taking out some stuff, and I am glad I did so I can see them sooo much better now. They still have thier hiding spots though.
Yep, they enjoy each others company dont they, if you dont mind Bud, posting a pic of your pandas in here since mine arent too good, ecspecially your fry, as mine look basically the exact same as yours did. That would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

i haven't had anymore fry but they are still spawning. Again wit hall the hardscape I can't find the eggs before they are eaten by the loaches. I also had some bronze cory eggs but they fungused. I'll take some pictures of my pandas soon and i'll post them on here.

-Vincent

You'd better hold on to your hat, because mine are about to join you ... they've just had a BIG water change/gravel vac, and I've a ton of live Bloodworm and live Daphnia waiting to carpet bomb them with.

Give them about an hour to settle in after the water change (completed about 10 mins ago, it's 7:30 pm ish here in the UK as I type this, and don't forget we're on British Summer Time at the moment, GMT +1, not that you'd know it with the torrential rain we've been having of late) and then the live food goes in. Watch the mayhem ensue about 3 hours after that I think.


Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002

Thanks for the reply Cali, mine have also had a small water chagne which has led to this post:

15th Spawning: 7/14/07
Mother: Debbie

16th Spawning: 7/14/07
Mother: Cali

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The eggs hatched, and the fry only made it a few hours .
I am pretty sure it that it was becasue I was lazy and waited till halfway through their development so im sure it was the change in water chemistry. My fault
With the new eggs I collect tomorrow morning from the current spawning party that is happening as I type I will immediately put in the QT

I collected another 4 eggs from the front glass this morning. I just left the eggs in the main tank in the breeder box like I did the 2 fry that are out in the wild. So these ones should do just fine.


The fry are now feeding with the parents at feeding time.
The baby flag fish continues to bother the fry. And nip the fins of the adults. Gonna have to think of something to do with the little stinker if the pestering gets worse.

When I get back (going to NYC) I will tell about the new fry I will ahve (hopefully) adn how everyone else did being fishy-sat. I will also get a pic of the tank now. (looks great)

Bye! I will be back Friday!

Ryan-

Ok, you have sold me! I found a used 55g tank and stand and as I make plans to set this one up, corys are on the list of species... I love the pandas, too cute! I will be hitting you up with tons of questions I am sure, before I get up and running!

Ryan , Have a great trip mate . I'm sure you will have fun .!!!!
Look forward to the next lot of photos of the new fry.

Garry

Hello all!


Well, I had an amazing trip all over the east coast. But am glad to be back home to see the panda herd!


Well I arrived home to see the 4 new babies hatched and the look great! Growing already. I found 3 more eggs on the wall that looked new (no embryos) and another egg on the magnet wall cleaner that was pretty developed and hatched soon after I put it in the breeder box with its older siblings, cousins, who knows whos fry that one is.

So the 5 FRY in there are a mix between Calis, Debbies, and possibly Big Mamas. The three eggs, are unknown, but there had to be at least 2 spawnings while I was gone so I am thinking it is Cali and Debbies since they are the ones who spawn at the same time. But who knows?

Big Mamas two older fry are looking amazing! they are about 3/4 of an inch now and have lost there fry spots. Now getting the tannish color of the adults. They also school with there parents and the other older ones.

The 5 adults are all doing well too. Not much new with them other than obviously wanting to expand there family .

That is all for now I will adding more pics soon.

Ryan , welcome home , glad you enjoyed your trip and that everyone in the tank were well when you got home .
Hope the new fry do well .

Garry

Ryan, welcome home... I am glad to hear that the babies are alive and well, cannot wait for another update and some more pics! I think I have decided that Julii leopards are going to be my cory of choice when I build my 55g.

Sorry about the long absense. I have been everywhere!

Anyway,

I have been raising four babies, not sure whose they are, and they are gorwing very fast. I put many MTS in with them to help clean up old food and produce infusoria for the fry. The current babies are around 6 mm long and doing great. One little guy was having problems with his swim blader and he had a giant bubble but he is back to normal.

The teenagers, as I am calling them now are doing great, lost their peppered spots, and are now a tannish color like the adults.

I have a few pics of the tank. As usual they are terrible, but a good camera will come my way before the end of the year lol.



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Big Mama under the large driftwood peice, this is a main hang out spot for the herd.

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Side pic of the tank

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Farther away shot of the main hang out spot

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Cali, during feeding time

I haved named the two "teenagers"

Shadow is the darker, slightly larger one.
Teek is the lighter, slightly smaller one.


REMEMBER TO SEE THE PICS ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE

I feel so special!!

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Thanks for the great name Shadow.

And finally, I introduce to you, their big appearance, a pic of Shadow and Teek at play. I put in a small peice of DW from the QT tank and the have been chasing each other over, under, and around it for a while now. I love them

Sorry for the poor pic quality...again.

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Here is one farther away. Cant really see them but you can see a pic of the small DW peice.

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awwwww!

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Ryan , Glad to hear that things are going well with the "Teens" . They look to have grown very quickly .
Did you go to the LFS and do some shopping ??????

Garry

Thanks Shadow

Garry,

Thanks for the reply, yep I went shopping, I got a school (8) of ember tetras. They are supposed to be semi-rare. I posted a pic of them the day I got them in the tetra section. I also got a female bolivian for my male. But they are having a hard time getting along.

So it has been QUITE a while since my last update. I have been busy with summer/ and preparing for yet another school year. All is well with the tank and fish everyone is healthy. Love is in the air for the gouramis with a female plump with eggs and a male building a new bubble nest every day. Onto the pandas.

I just LOVE these fish. They are by far the funniest/ most entertaining fish I have kept. Let me share a little observation of mine I have noticed while watching my small panda family. PANDAS LIKE TO HANG OUT WITH PANDAS THIER SIZE.Lol Shadow and Teek seem to have a bond that is very very close. I hardly ever see one without the other. And also the 4 fry I ahve recenlty introduced into the tank also stay together. Although one of them stays with the main herd. Shadow and Teek also are hanging with the adults more as they have gotten bigger.

I also have 4 fry still in the nursery and an egg that is halfway developed.

So....

Main Panda Herd:
Big Mama
Wasabi
Debbie
Cali
Warren
Shadow
Teek
4 new Fry

A total of 11 in the main tank

And 4 and an egg in nursery.

So there ya go.

More pics to come soon.

That is so cool man.i have a bunch of bronze cories i just bought and hoping they'll spawn eventually.all the pandas look so good too.

Est solarus uth mithas,My honor is my life

Ryan , I am so jealous .My Angels don't seem to know what to do to raise even a wriggler .
You seem to have a regular fish farm going there . Well done Mate .
Trust we will see some new photos of the herd soon.


Garry

Great job Ryan!!

Keep us posted!!!

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