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"Someone had better sort out the taxonomic mess soon with these fishes, because the smaller 'Panaque' species have features that don't appear to belong in Panaque - I recall the article in one of my magazine back numbers featuring some wrangling over this between such liminaries as Armbruster and Seidel. "

Yeah. Armbruster's also grouping scobinancistrus in along with the bunch under panaque for now.

EDIT: No. Your fish will stay under 5". Don't worry about it.

Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 05-Jan-2006 16:58

heres a pic i managed to capture about 3 seconds before he saw me and flashed away hiding under the new drift wood

well he hides all the time, i couldent get a pic at all if he wasnt caught, i was hopeing he would have come out on his own..but i waited a few months..i figured i had waited long enough to see my fish.

The "larger fish" as you put it? No, that is definitely it. Not only does it have the characteristic 8 rays dorsal rays including the hard, there are no hypertrophied odontodes and there are no odontodes on lateral plates...it's definitely a hypoostomus. Coloration differs with stress level, and, as can be seen, said fish is definitely in a stressful position.

Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 06-Jan-2006 23:54

actualy neither of those fish look anything like mine

not even close

Do not trust liveaquaria to give you correct into. L-124 (heck, even the L number was identified incorrectly on the site), as displayed, is not a hypostomus, and is in fact, not even in the same tribe of fishes, according to some. Rather, it is a hemiancistrus/ancistomus species. In fact, you can CLEARLY, even on that picture, see the interopercular odontodes on the fish.

EDIT: this is a closer representation of what you have: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/loricari/G_17.PHP


Last edited by Cup_of_Lifenoodles at 07-Jan-2006 00:43

the coman name is Rio de para Placo. it actualy gets about 9 inches. they are easy to take care of. the temp should be around 72-82 degrees farenhight. the ph should be around 60-7.5 kh48. this pleaco is very peaceful. the colors are black, gold,and cream. it arigenated from brazil and it is from the faimly Loricarlldae just to let u know katie and dan is intristed in it so coem up with a price some lol
boy do i feel smart lol
if u dotn beleave me go to this web sighthttp://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=2103

Last edited by funnyfish at 06-Jan-2006 18:54

geeze! 14 inches!

boy, i better ring up the pet store and tell them i will be bringing a monster in in another month or so (so i dont risk stunting very much before it becomes a problem ya know?)

Yes, the hypostomus will reach lengths in excess of 14".

WHEW!

thanks

now what about the other one? will that one get too big?

ok now i have many pictures of my larger pleco because im hopeing for an identification, and he isnt a common pleco, he has stripes when he is colored up, but shows spots when stressed (kinda wierd)

showing how big he is, and possibly if you look hard, you can see the stripes, but maybe its just because i know him i know and can see they are there
showing stripes and some spots
big pleco and little clown pleco
more stripes
yup, that is my clown pleco doing a headstand in my palm,
i was getting ready to set him in the tank and when i set him in my hand he just kinda stood up lol he was more erect, but he got tired of me trying to get a good pic

hmm, now im a bit confused, i htought clown plecos only got to 5 inches...and i wasnt sure of the other one, but it sounds like i may only be able to keep him for another few months before i have to give him up

There are indeed scientists currently working on Loricariids, as the recent designations of several species indicates (see this Planet Catfish thread for info). However, there isn't a whole lot of funding or encouragement going towards taxonomy as I understand it. Though hobbyists appreciate knowing exactly what their pleco is, they haven't truly supported the scientists in the pursuit of taxonomy. Most folks would rather have someone discover a new species of fish than describe an older one.

Last edited by sirbooks at 05-Jan-2006 12:08

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And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."

So he can breathe something of a sigh of relief then?

Someone had better sort out the taxonomic mess soon with these fishes, because the smaller 'Panaque' species have features that don't appear to belong in Panaque - I recall the article in one of my magazine back numbers featuring some wrangling over this between such liminaries as Armbruster and Seidel.


Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002

Not all Panaque grow to large proportions. As I was informed by Jon (Noodles), Panaqolus is a designation given to the smaller Panaque species like P. maccus here. However, it is not taxonomically valid. This means that the smaller Panaque plecs are staying where they are and effectively balance out the sizes of the other fish in the genus. Other Panaque which don't grow very large include P. albomaculatus and the flash pleco, L-204.

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And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."

C_o_L, arne't Panaque species big chunky Plecs that reach 20 inches in length fully grown?

Or is Panaque maccus one of those species over which there are taxonomic arguments (such as debate over Panaque versus Panaqolus)?

The thing that worries me is that if this little Plec is going to be one of the big Panaques, it'll need HUGE quarters. A 125 gallon as a baseline setup ...


Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002

oh sorry forgot to say, i dident want to over stress them with being out of water while i took pictures of them, so i got some tank water and put them in there they were in there for like 5-7 minuets max they currently live in an over filtered 20 long with weekly water changes and the flake plants get moved around so ican suck up the stuff that sits on top of the filter sand

actualy i dident purchase him as a common pleco, they had a bunch of small plecos (when i got him, he was the size of the little one)in a tank, and they were on sale for 2.99 but ther were many other species in there too, only some of them were marked specificly, but some wernt, most of them were deff. commons though

The smaller fish is a panaque of some sort, no doubt about that; very likely p. maccus.

Clown Pleco is best! THe last one! why are they in those lil tank things?

Looks like a type of common pleco to me. I can't tell the species, but I doubt that your fish is anything but. Isn't that what you purchased it as?

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And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."