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i have a 7.1 surround sound system in my bedroom
700watts of speaker and 900 watts from a 15inch sub .

I max the speakers out alot and its a very small room

my question is

would it be possible to put a fish tank in there?

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''All the clown fish and yellow tangs in the world cant save you now!''

Depends what you call maxed out, if it vibrates the furniture - probably not !

Bet your neighbours love you..

I have 5.1 in here with a couple of tanks, but im happy with er moderate noise levels. Avoid fish with electrical senses, while most fish will tolerate moderate noise, bear in mind they do all have lateral lines that pick up low frequency and vibration wavelengths. Overdo the noise and youll quickly get stressed fish. Water kills a lot of high frequency wavelengths but low frequency woofer booms will practically go straight into them.In fact the traditional "yeehaw" habit of fishing by throwing a stick of dynamite into a lake actually depends on sound killing fish. The shockwave will kill the fis within 20 metres or so, beyond that the sheer noise of the explosion shocks and kills many more, possibly up to a hundred yards away. Think of them as having taste like your mom, they dont hear the excellent guitar solos,or the cunningly clever lyrics, they only hear the base thump. If fish could speak you'd find theyd sound surprisingly like your mom too. "Turn that bloody racket off!"



I guess the short answer is probably no, not if your gonna have a music session that Disaster Area would be proud of every evening.

Got headphones? lol.

8 speakers, and still only two ears. This is just getting silly now... I remember when you could get two speakers with 4 small speakers in each. Nobody was pretentious enough to call them 8.0 were they? Marketing,,, sheesh...

Its getting like the 70's all over again, with stereo bores saying " the reproduction on this johnny mathis album is just a - mazing"

Just wondering, if a fish is bothered by noise will it show visible reaction? Because I have my 10 gallon beside my piano and I'm not sure if this bothers my fish.

Hey Gang.
Noise is, at the most basic level, vibrations carried thru the air, earth, water and most other substances. it is "heard" when the vibrations enter your ear and cause your eardrum to move with the vibrations, causing the hammer and anvil (two of the three smallest bones in your body, inside the eardrum. the stapes is the other, it holds the hammer and is there too) to work and somewhere along the lines the vibrations are changed to electrical impulses that tell the brain there's noise about.
These vibrations carry through the air very well, but they also carry through the water and solid matter. Water actually transmits the vibrations very far but at a diminished amplitude. I remember as a boy living on the north shore of lake superior, feeling the vibrations of a ship far out in the lake. The frequency of the vibrations also affect how they are carried.
Anyway, consider that your tank wall is essentially one large surface that noise vibration will transmit into the water. Your piano should be no problem, nor normal conversation or sound. Blasting a stereo off it may be unhealthy for fish. As an experiment, take an empty tank with water, or even just a water glass and tap the sides of it with a pancil or finger near the surface of the water. See the waves? same thing. Does chinese water torture ring a bell? (No Offense anyone) where the victim is lowered into a vat of water and the tank is hammered repeatedly and the water transmits the impact to the body? same thing kinda.
This may have seemed a bit extreme but as a rule of thumb, if the noise is too much for the normal person, it may be bad for the fish. The water and the glass will dampen the vibrations, but over an extended period...

Hiding, suddenly darting about, loss of colouration, failure to feed, and hiding I guess, any or all of those. I suspect even a grand piano wouldnt be quite as bad as a huge stereo system, it produces a lot of vibration, but unless youre doing a jerry lee lewis special on it , or maybe a few "old london" tunes on it I doubt youd get much of an effect.

That old pearly queen music could make anyone ill, let alone fish

I have one of my tanks right above my speakers and I dont see any problems or deaths because of it. I really think that as long as you dont overdue it too much that the fish will be fine. Think about it, in nature there boats and motors but those sounds dont kill the fish.

I though Chinese water torture was where they endlessly dripped water on one spot of your head.

"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man" Simpsons

8 speakers, and still only two ears. This is just getting silly now... I remember when you could get two speakers with 4 small speakers in each. Nobody was pretentious enough to call them 8.0 were they? Marketing,,, sheesh...

haha ive got a 23.1 system lol with the smallest speaker being 5.1/2 inches with that logic lol

if i put a blanket or 2 over it whenever i wanted to have some fun would i be able to keep a tank in there?

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''All the clown fish and yellow tangs in the world cant save you now!''

Just as a matter of interest, is there any audible difference between a 23.1 and 7.1 than anyone in the house can hear except the dog? If you crank that 7.1 system sound up a lot, you certainly wont be hearing the difference, I bet you cant even hear your own voice after a long session

Please tell me you havent "pimped your ride " as well.



On a more serious note, no. The blanket might make a noticeable difference to the high frequency waves you are sensitive to, but the low frequency waves will still pass straight through, and the fish might still be rattled by them.

As far as I know there are no conclusive scientific papers on the effect of metal, trance , garage ,hip hop (or as i like to refer to it- people who cant sing or play instruments with bad taste in clothes talking to music about the same old crap they did ten years ago) or even dave beethoven on the brainwaves of fish.lol.

Maybe its like making kids listen to mozart,- they get better cognitive memory, and when they listen to rap they get urges to wear hoodies , paint their tank panels black, and get an outsized filter inlet.Then put LED's all over the tank.

Obviously if your fish listen to metal or folk music you get hair algae in their tank, and emo fish tend to go a bit black round the eyes.

Fish listening to apocalyptica will obviously go nocturnal and start drinking the blood of cagemates. They also tend to look blanched out when the lights go on in the morning.

Neonate fish listening to pop music in tanks with mature adults may end up getting drugged with clove oil. Never accept flakes from a fish you dont know.

just means if you max it out theres less distortion as theres less pressure on each individual speaker

would there be anything i could put over it to stop the bass?

would a doona work?

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''All the clown fish and yellow tangs in the world cant save you now!''

In short fish and noise are not compatible in fact either are humans.

I would not know one speaker power from another but I do know a lot about about the damages of sound. I did a masters paper on the dangers of sound at uni .

I am about to wear two hearing aids because of noise caused my machinery. Before any one jumps up and down I am 68 and those ear muffs were not around in those ancient days and the first ones I used were more dangerous that the machinery I was operating.

Now back to fish and noise. Try this turn it up at the level you want then a bit more because that is what you will do any way.

Close the room off and go outside and feel the movement on the glass window. Another thing you can do is put a glass of water in the room and watch the water surface it will move. I have tried this a dark room light one candel in the center of the room lay very still and watch the ceiling you will see movement more sound waves.

If you have ever heard high pitched ringing noises in your ears after listening to loud music that is what will adventually cause deafness. Sorry I forgot to tell you that ringing will go on forever 24/7hrs a day for ever and as you get older it will get worse.

Now think about your fish and youself.

I also taught the dangers of sound for 26 years therefore I think I have some idea what it can do.

That does not mean you can not listen to music I have a sound system connected to my computer but it is never turned up loud.

The usual response from many young people is I like it loud and I will worry about it later.

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Actually, a towel will absorb some of the vibrations, but is not really thick enough to stop it. A one time blast will shock them, but the dangers we're talking about occur over time. They would eventually become skittish and stressed out, and thus more susceptible to maladies that a happy healthy fish's immune systen could defend.