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Do those polyp things grow from the live rock(I'm a noob with only FW, just wondering)?

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Nope, you gotta buy corals seperate.

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What all stuff grows out of live rock? Do you have to acclimate the live rock like a fish?

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Some live rock has to be cured. Other than that it jst needs salt water, no real acclimation. Mostly Live rock will carry algaes and beneficial bacteria, but sometimes you get lucky and get cool stuff like feather dusters. Other times you are unlucky and get some nasty hitchikers like crabs and mantis shrimp, though some people like to keep mantis, they are pretty cool lookin.

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I have lots of pics today. I got the last fish that I'll add to this tank. It's a shweet flasher wrasse. It's still getting used to everything, but came out to eat, so I think all's good there. There will be a couple pics of him, as well as some of the corals I recently got, and a full tank shot. Enjoy.

Flasher wrasse:
It's hard to get a good pic of this guy, he's quick and doesn't stop moving for very long



Acan Lords:


My froggie has colored up a bit since the last pic:


Orange echinata:


Blue chalice, forgot the real name:

[EDIT]: remembered the real name, Oxypora.

Full tank shot:

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

amazing flasher wrasse do you know what species

Looks the most to me like a filamented flasher wrasse Paracheilinus filamentosus or a variant of it.

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WOW, it is really hard to keep up with this guy. He's very fast. I took about 60 pictures tonight and ended up with 2 that weren't embarassing to show people. When he flashes at (I'm guessing) his reflection, he changes all sorts of colors, his top fins even become white . This guys is nuts, but he sure gets his excersise. Now I know why he's supposed to be fed so much .

To the pics:






In other events....I think I found the animal responsible for harassing fish and coral alike. I think the culprit is/was a large rock crab that I jammed into a cave with some epoxy. Hopefully this won't be too detrimental when he dies. I had to move a lot of the rockwork around to get him, and I think I got most of it back to where it was originally.

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I'm starting to think maybe I should have gotten a smaller tank so that I could buy more cool stuff like you.

My tank is so empty! How is this fair!

-Formerly known as the Ferretfish

Heck yea. I've decided that a 40 breeder is my dream tank. Stocked with sweet LPS....lots of different colored acans, blastos, chalices, and a section that sways. Maybe a nice big hammer or froggie. Of course, multicolored zoos would fill the gaps. Thankfully I love the corals that aren't so picky about water quality.

But I wouldn't worry if I were you. Your tank will fill up in time, and I'll be left wondering where I could possibly fit another coral.

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My tank will be even further away from being filled when we do the upgrade.

Talking with a guy in my club who's taking down a 120, if I dont buy his tank, i'm buying a new 90 and we're moving to the basement, upgrading everything and doing an in wall reef. Sweetness.

-Formerly known as the Ferretfish

any updates?

yep.

Just got back from Cali to find that my ghetto top off system didn't work. I had it set up the entire day before I left for 1 drip per 2 seconds. It seems that it stopped dripping the moment I left. All 5 (minus about an inchof water) gallons of water were still in the bucket. The entire left chamber in my sump had drained, the pump was runnung dry(luckily still running) and the heater, no longer submerged, broke. After taking out the heater, I filled the sump with a mix of fresh and salt water that I had already mixed. I didn't bother checking the salinity, I'm sure I would have freaked. The temperature, however, was 70 F down from the usual 78 F. With this, I was lucky. My housemates forgot to turn the heat down when they left. Otherwise the tank could have been as low as 55-60F. Currently I have my backup heater bringing the temp up slowly, and my drip system back up and running to bring the salinity down.

I estimate that the left chamber of the sump emptied enough to cause problems yesterday sometime. Needless to say everything looked awful, but thankfully still alive. I think I got lucky here, but we'll see in the next few days.

Welp, here's to being stupid

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Here's how crappy my xenia and galaxia look right now:



Some other things look back to normal, while the majority of things look annoyed, and a few things look like *&%$. The fish seem to be ok for now, they are still active and eating. I hope there's not an ich outbreak or something.

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A pic of the xenia as of today:


And my hammer, which looks pretty awful:


Fish still look really good, I don't think it even fazed them. Most of the corals are beginning to look better now. Some are just lacking a bit in color. The hammer is the extreme. The xenia has made a slow recovery, but still has a ways to go IMO. I'll be getting a float switch sometime this week, so hopefully this never happens again.

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Well, live and learn!

Be thankful it wasn't worse.

-Formerly known as the Ferretfish

Well, live and learn!

and then get Luv's.

I hear ya on that. I'm still a newbie I guess, having only been salty for the last six months or so. e to make a mistake here and there. I have a feeling my next one will be at the end of may, moving day. Might get nasty.

I ordered my float switch from autotopoff.com today, hopefully it will be sent out tomorrow. This should be fun, no more topoffs...yay!

Anybody think that hammer will live? It still looks pretty white. At least it's coming out.

I already have my other LPS eating again, they didn't feel like it at first(don't blame them really). My lords is even starting to puff up again. Definitely glad it wasn't worse.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

I think your hammer will be fine It probably just dumped a little zoo from the stress and with proper light and feedings (if it will take it) it should gain the zoo back in a short time. If the tissue isnt receeding and it hasnt started to brown jelly then I think it will be just fine

Well the hammer still looks the same, no better or worse. I hope it will make it.

I did get my unit from autotopoff.com. It came in 2 days. I can't wait to hook it up, but I didn't think it would come in so quick, so I haven't bought a small pump for it yet. I might stop over at work tomorrow and pick up a pump, cause I want to get this thing goin.

I also picked up a couple pretty good sized blasto wellsi today. one is a nice deep red, and the other is a greenish blueish color. I can't decide which color it is yet. The red probably has 20 heads on it, the blue is smaller, has maybe 10 or so. I'll get some pics in when they get comfortable.

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Just a bunch of pics here.

New red wellsi:





New Teal Wellsi:


Clown Goby and flasher wrasse waiting for munchies:


EDIT: It really looks like I edited(very poorly) the clown goby in here for some reason. It looks like the left side of him was chopped of in the editing process or something. It just doesn't look right.

Xenia, completely recovered:

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how do u guys do ur rock woork it loks so good ... myns looks liek crap what do u guys do... i must say nice tank any ways

In the age of darkness the blind man is the best guide. In the age of insanity look towards the mad man to show you the way

Thanks Norrec, I just messed with my rockwork until I liked it, and I must say, I've seen way better scaping than mine.

I cleaned up my fuge a little bit this weekend while doing a water change, and it looks pretty good, wo I thought I'd share. Before I was a bit embarrassed, that's why there haven't been recent pics of it. I just switched out the bulbs, the OLD ones were from my planted tank, and were a plant grow 4500K bulb and a daylight 6700K bulb. They were probably over a year old. These sprouted up some nastys I must say. I switched to a 10000K and a 50/50 and things are looking a bit better.

Fuge shot:


Yellowhead Jawfish:


Some zoanthids that were too algaefied for my main display:


The Autotopoff system, performing admirably:


The autotopoff system is working great so far. The only problem I had was the zip ties they came with broke when I tried to tighten them. That's how you adjust what level the float switch is in your sump, and the backup one too. I didn't really like that idea much anyways. Everything else seems to be quality. I have it up with lots of rubberbands until I figure out something more permanent. Any ideas?

I'm also thinking of taking my recent xenia cuts and putting them in the fuge to see if they grow with that little lighting(40W), the zoanthids seem to be doing ok and growing a little too. If they do well I may be inclined to even upgrade the lighting a little more, maybe a PC fixture.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Nice Blasto's Matty!

The rubberbands wont last too long so I would look for a long term solution..Id say try a good quality zip tie and see how it works?

Thanks DRO. The instant I saw them I said "yoink"! My boss hates when I take all the good stuff, I always promise him I'll bring some back eventually.

I replaced the rubberbands with a few zip ties I got at home depot for $1.50. These didn't break on me. I thought about grabbing some duct tape for awhile.

The topoff unit is sweet. Ahhh the easy life. It makes me wonder what automatic water changes are like *imagines sipping a cold one and watching the tank water change itself*. That might take all the fun out of reefkeeping. The 5 gallon bucket of RO lasted 6 days. Too bad I can't stretch that a full week and just remember to fill up on a certain day of the week. Ah well, I'll quit rambling now....

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

*imagines sipping a cold one and watching the tank water change itself*. That might take all the fun out of reefkeeping

Trust me, it doesnt take any of the fun out of it...it actually makes it more fun/enjoyable cause you have more time to sit and look at the tank.

Things are really starting to settle in again. It's amazing how long I could see the after affects of my mishap. I still am with the hammer, the main head looks ghost white, but the good news is that the 3 little baby heads have grown and have some good color. I haven't figured that out yet, but I'll just be happy about it.

Onwards to the pictures -->

FTS:


Left:


Hehe, I need to trim the xenia weeds

Right:


Torch has split heads, now there's 3! I like to call this one the torchspawn, it can't decide whether it wants to be a torch or a frogspawn*shrugs*.


One of my favorites showing some new bits of growth:


Another of my favorites, also showing a few new heads(red and green):

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I like to call this one the torchspawn, it can't decide whether it wants to be a torch or a frogspawn*shrugs*.

i love the name

let me know if you need anyone to take some xenia frags off your hands, ive got plenty of room.

wonderful pictures, tank looks great.

i like how in your full tank shot it looks nice and busy and crowded, in mine, its oh look theres somthing all the way over there, or here. i guess its nice to have lots of room, but im shooting for eventually having as many corals and fish as possible, only its going to take a few years.

overall, it looks splendid/:'

Nick
"Impossumable- unable to play dead"

Right now I have about 8 small frags that are going to the lfs I work at on thursday to pay for the most recent coral I bought. Right now I'm the area supplier of xenia elongata. Sad to say, but true.

Maybe next time I can send one out to you, I've never shipped anything live...I'm not sure exactly how it would go.

That's why I think I'm going to stick with small tanks. The price goes up exponentially for larger tanks. I can barely afford this one. I can't imagine trying to fill such a big tank.

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Sorry if you lost any links or info tetratech...let me know if you still have some questions, I don't mind going over anything again.

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Sorry if you lost any links or info tetratech...let me know if you still have some questions, I don't mind going over anything again.

Thanks Matty, I'm definitely on my way to the darkside. I'm just debating whether I should setup a sump with my tank. I'm using a 46g that isn't drilled. I plan on placing my order soon for a coralife skimmer. Your tank isn't drilled either right? So you setup the over the edge overflow. if I want to make a basic sump I guess I could use a 10g and create a separation for the intake and the return.

...or should I just use the hang on the back skimmer, with alot of rock and use my extra eheim ecco and fill with mostly bioballs.

Glad things came back for you. I love all the little activity all over the place.




My Scapes

Nah, I don't recommend bioballs really, stick to LR for biofiltration if you are going to do a reef, and if you use the canister for mechanical/chemical it should be cleaned out weekly, religiously. You don't want any gunk to sit in there for any length of time. That kind of becomes a hassle, which is why cannisters aren't used on reefs very much.

If you are going to do a sump, do a sump. 10G would be a waste of your time and money IMO. The only thing you are gaining with that is removing some equipment, water flow, and the risk of an overflow due to the small size of your sump. Note I didn't say you are gaining water volume, because you would probably only gain a few gallons.

You want your sump to be able to handle all the water that will flow out of your display should the power go out. In my tank, 5 gallons easily drops into the sump in that situation(probably more for you then). My sump is just as large as my display, so it can hold that extra volume(and more) running the sump just a little low.

In a 46G I would use a 20 Long or bigger. You should aim for at least 1/3 of your tank volume. This way you can probably get 12 or so gallons out of the deal too. If you aren't going to put a 'fuge in your sump, at least add a few baffles to cut down on the microbubbles that are caused by falling water. You can always mod your sump in the future with a dsb and lights and algae if you like.

None of that is needed, but each little extra thing you do, makes your life, and running the tank a lot easier. In terms of excess nutrients I don't need to do waterchanges. I only change water to replace the chemistry of the saltwater.

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or you can get what i have a WET/DRY filter. Which works just as well as the sump. A WET/DRY filter super charges biological filtration.

but..

there useally isnt a lot of romm to put equiptment in (i.e. heaters, skimmers) but there is useally a lil' space to put a heater. and you can useally find a WET/DRY with a skimmer.

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wet/drys are sorta outdated IMO...

-Formerly known as the Ferretfish

havent look at your thread for a while matty. looking good!

How about some hyper-colour zoanthids? i got a few rocks and hold and cant wait to place them

How are the jawfish going? im thinking of adding some to my sump

Thanks patchy.

I actually have a few nice zoanthids. They just don't get the spotlight as much as everything else. I have some intense green ones that are growing crazy, but ATM they are getting attacked by my frogspawn. I've tried to put up a barrier between them, and it seems to be helping a little. I also have some orange ones in my sump, and theres a pic a page back I think. I have a little 6 polyp frag(started with 2 polyps) of what look to be eagle eyes or something similar. They have a few different rings of color. I also have a rock with some that have purple rings. I'll try to get a pic of all these for ya sometime soon.

The one jawfish I have left is doing terrific. There's a pic with him in it a page back as well. Just make sure you get them a nice size sand bed and some rubble for them to build with. Mine has constructed quite a nice house in my sump. He closes the "door" which is actually the foot of a deceased turbo snail at night so he can sleep without being disturbed.

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Matty,

Thanks for the sump recco. How do you normally divide the sump from intake and the return. Do they sell special tanks with all the accessories with it or are you using a standard aga tank and DIYing the divider.

My Scapes

They do make prefab sumps, but can be entirely too expensive. Think hundreds of dollars. My sump is a 30 AGA and I got some glass cut at my local hardware store, home depot might do it as well. It doesn't need to be thick, as it's not really holding any weight. I'll post a sump pic from a while back so you can see what I did. The only thing I wish I would have done different was to make a "box" for my overflow pipe. This would create a lot less splash, and salt creep in that area. It would be a simple rectangular box with a hole cut at the top to fit the overflow pipe. A simple solution for me to do now would be to cut some tupperware to size instead. The glass could have been cut a little higher so there would be more volume in the sump, but that's just details. I went on the safe side with the cuts, I didn't know exactly how much water would flow from the display when I cut the pump, so I kept the water level a bit lower (cut the glass shorter) just in case.

So lets see...

1 is the return
2 is the fuge
3 is the baffle area which keeps bubbles to the right
4 is the water coming from the display via overflow

If you can't see the two left peices of cut glass are touching the bottom and siliconed all the way around and are the border for the fuge. The peice of glass farthest right traps bubbles in the right most section of the sump. It isn't resting on the bottom of the tank, it's about an inch and a half off the bottom. That one wasn't easy to silicone there and I had to hold it there for 5ish minutes before it held. It's a really simple design and can be improved upon in many ways. feel free to get imaginative.

Attached Image:

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Thanks alot Matty

So if I'm not going with a Fuge, I could just have one piece of glass separating the intake from the return section with all my filter media in the intake side?

Also, do you have a pic if your overflow from the display?

Thanks much

My Scapes

Tetratech, to answer your question, you would 2, or more depeding on bubles. You need to be able to for the bubbles to the surface, so you would want a over-under, or the other way around.

its me sk8freak20...i need to get premie so i can change my name back

Yep, I agree with RBMark. You should at least put in a set of baffles to reduce the amount of bubbles. If you want, go ahead and put these all the way over to the right or left like I have so you could add a fuge later if you wanted....or at least some macroalgae and a light.

I'll get you a pic of the overflow tomorrow. I don't have a nice clean pic from setup. It's going to be a little.....used looking . We'll probably see some little feather dusters and sponges and stuff. So umm...top down I guess is what you are looking for, maybe from the side?

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O.K. now I'm with you. I didn't notice the over / under at first. thanks much guys

So Matty, all you have in the intake side is the protein skimmer, no pads, etc.



My Scapes

Actually I do have a mesh bag with carbon and one with phosguard. There's also a backup heater in that section. I had to run two heaters this winter because my housemates wouldn't raise the heat above 60. 17-18 degree difference was making the one 300W heater run constantly so I put two in there. One on the left and one on the right.

There's two places I have mechanical filtration. One is a prefilter for the overflow. The other is the prefilter for the return pump. If I cause a sandstorm, I have a HOB filter I use to help clear things up, but I don't run it all the time.

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Some pics of some stuff including my new coral.

My new "chalice" echinophyllia of some sort:


I got it a couple weeks ago now, and it is continuing to color up. it started off as the fleshy orange that you see with just specks of pink/red, and none of the blue/green stuff. I'm pretty sure it will keep coloring up - might even get to be something really nice. Even if it stopped now, I still like it. At first a couple of it's mouths opened up to where you could see skeleton, but for the most part have healed up. The only one I'm still worried about is the mouth on the bottom left that you can see in the pic.

Here's a closeup for the nice colors:


Macro of my galaxia:


Zoos for Patchy:






I promise I'll get you that overflow pic tetratech - I wanted to get a full tank shot so I started cleaning the glass and forgot all about both. I'll post again later today with both.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Ok as I promised, overflow from overhead:



And the FTS:

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That tanks is really looking nice! It looks to be alot bigger than the size it is, and I think thats awesome!/:'

its me sk8freak20...i need to get premie so i can change my name back

looking great!

filling out very nicely...you may need another tank soon!

That tanks is really looking nice! It looks to be alot bigger than the size it is, and I think thats awesome!

Thanks, I keep getting people saying it looks big. In person it looks tiny...but it is crammed with stuff.

filling out very nicely...you may need another tank soon!

I KNOW! But I can't I won't let myself set tup another one....It's going to be be killer moving them in a few weeks.

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updates, hows that wrasse i thknig aobut getitng one hwen my tank is set up

your tank (matty) is so much cleaner then myn i have the stupid dumb brown algae and hair algae all over the place and it grows back so fast gurrr

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The wrasse is doing great. I personally wouldn't put one in anything smaller than a 30G(not 29) as I think they need at least the 3ft to swim in. They are pretty active swimmers. I can't imagine ever not having a wrasse of some sort now that I have mine. They are very colorful and fun to watch.

your tank (matty) is so much cleaner then myn i have the stupid dumb brown algae and hair algae all over the place and it grows back so fast gurrr

IMO it's all about how the tank is set up. Do it right from the start and things fall in line pretty quick. Taking shortcuts in the beginning makes things tougher in the long run and usually end up being more expensive. That's why I always recommend people to research their setup for weeks(if not months) before starting up and trying to use more than the necessities. All the "extras" like RO/DI, sumps, fuges, quality protein skimmers, etc really make things easier.

I've been researching my next setup for a few months. So far I have the tank size and lighting I want. Everything else is still up in the air.

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ill have it in a 40B so i think it will be ok

That should be great....just watch out, they can be jumpers. A glass top or eggcrate is recommended, though I go open top and haven't had a problem.

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what about wooden canopy?

There could still be problems, but that's better than having an open top I'm sure.

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alright, so what size tna kyou gonig to get

Matt,

I just wanted to drop in and say what a wonderful job you're doing with that tank.. The progression from your first full tank shot to your most recent is just amazing..

Very good job

Matty, not only is your tank developing, but your picture taking skills are as well.

Lookin' good...I'm moving to my new tank tomorrow, cant wait to show you what I've got going!

-Formerly known as the Ferretfish

Sorry for the delay in posting....

alright, so what size tna kyou gonig to get

Actually I think I'm going to stick with what I have for now and I'm going to upgrade my freshwater planted tank.

I just wanted to drop in and say what a wonderful job you're doing with that tank.. The progression from your first full tank shot to your most recent is just amazing..

Very good job

Thanks Oleta, great to hear from you! How's your salt tank going? I just remember a year or so back you were working on a nice aquascape.

Matty, not only is your tank developing, but your picture taking skills are as well.

Lookin' good...I'm moving to my new tank tomorrow, cant wait to show you what I've got going!

Thanks Liana, but I think my photography skills have progressed as far as my camera will allow.


My tank got moved successfully, but I'm still without internet, so no pics or anything yet. Hope your move went/goes well too. I have a few new additiions including 2 peppermint shrimp and a pocelain crab. Maybe some new corals too...I can't remember what I've shown, it's been too long. I've also turned my fuge into a softy tank with macro algae, it has 2X65W PC's on it for lighting. All my xenia, shrooms, leathers, zoas, and GSP have been moved down there. Now my LPS get full dominance of my display. I'll try to get some new pics up when I get the internet going inmy new apartment.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

OK I finally got the internet up today, so here's the pics as promised.


Unknown coral with zoo frag:


New brain frag, top down view:


Purple and green blasto:


New peppy shrimp...cleaned up the aptasia in about 36 hrs, no joke:


Orange crush, lots of new growth:


New echino, has orange, red, and a few blue splothches and pink eyes...a beauty:


New zoos:


Hammer has regained it's color niceley after bleaching:


Green echino growth pic:


Galaxia looking hot:


Finally a good pic of my flasher wrasse:


Red and green blasto and pink echino:


Frontal:


From the right:


From the left:



That's all for now, I'll get some pics of the fuge after I clean it up a bit. It's now turned into a softy tank with macroalgae. The jawfish looks pretty cool peering out from around the xenia and gsp.

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Can you make a final list of all the fish and corals, Or will that be too hard? You have a lot of things if you do make a list. Also whats the grand Total as of now?

Chris

30G Display
30G Sump
40lbs. live rock

Fishies/inverts:
1 Yellowhead Jawfish
2 Occelaris Clowns
1 Yellow Clown Goby
1 "Blue" Flasher Wrasse
1 peppermint shrimp
1 porcelain crab
numerous snails and hermits

Corals:
Various shrooms and zoos
Hammer
Torch
Frogspawn
4 Acan. Echinata
3 Blasto Merletti
Tubastrea sp.
Galaxia
Alveopora
Montipora Capricornus
green star polyps
regular and silver pulsing xenia "elongata"
4 Echinophyllia
Blue Oxypora
candy cane
1 unknown coral
1 favites brain(i think)


I don't want to talk about how much it's costed....though not too much more than the last estimate, whatever that was. Most of the cost was in the startup(pump, LR, Skimmer, Lights, etc.) anyhow.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Whoa... I respect your privacy. That is a lot fo stuff for a 30g tank. That was also a very quick reply. Also what fish are in your sump?

EDIT: Also didn't you have sun coral?

Chris

Whoa... I respect your privacy.

I didn't mean it like that, it's just I've really spent too much, and haven't really kept track. If I knew I wouldn't mind telling you. I just don't know on purpose.

That is a lot fo stuff for a 30g tank.

The fish load is actually pretty light. Corals don't really put much strain on the bioload unless they are dieing.

Also what fish are in your sump?

Just the yellowhead jawfish.

EDIT: Also didn't you have sun coral?

Yep, that's the tubastrea spp. I listed.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Very nice aquarium, Just out of curiosity what is that aquarium at the bottom for???

10gallon: 8neons 5gallon: 1betta
1oto
2platys

The aquarium in the bottom is a sump. It is used for multiple things. It is used for filtration, added water capacity, to hide heaters, etc. There it plumbing that runs the water from the main tank to the sump and back up again.

-Josh

How many more fish could you put in that tank to make the load just right? Inch Wise.

Chris

Well my clowns are pretty small right now, so I suspect that it will be just right when they reach full size. I wouldn't want more fish though. More fish means more maintenence. I'm lazy sometimes, so I compensate with a good setup and a lighter load than some people would have. I guess to really answer your question - I could have another small fish, another small goby or something like that.

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Well the sump got it's photoshoot tonight despite the algae....it is a fuge after all.

Full sump shot:



A few shots of the Yellowhead:





Some leathers:


My new shroom frag:


Duster closeup:



Hope you likey.

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New peppy shrimp...cleaned up the aptasia in about 36 hrs, no joke:

Is the aptasia the algae you had, if so put the Peppy Shrimp in your sump. No offence but the algae is pretty gross. Also why dont you have an unpopulated/undecorated smaller sump instead of a larger one that is the same size as your main tank.

P.S. Do you have an anenome in your tank?

Chris

Aptasia is a type of anemone. A pest, it will sting any corals near it and they multiply quickly.

No offence but the algae is pretty gross.

Meh. *shrugs*. It's not too bad. And it's only because I put my planted tank fixture over the sump. Everything is growing well, but the bulbs are old and one of the bulbs is a red plant grow type. I don't really care because it's a refugium. It's not supposed to be real pretty, it's supposed to be useful, which it is.

Also why dont you have an unpopulated/undecorated smaller sump instead of a larger one that is the same size as your main tank.

Personally I think that would be a waste of space. A larger sump means more water volume, which in turn means a more stable system. Adding in a refugium increases populations of natural foods, and nutrient export which keeps the nitrates and phosphates under control. All that means less work for me. Plus since I run the system on a reverse photoperiod, there's always something cool to check out. Can't beat that.

EDIT: Nope, I don't have any anemones pest or otherwise since my peppermint shrimp ate all the aptasia.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Shrimp eat anenomes? Ouch. Is it still okay to have just a plain sump?

Chris

Is it still okay to have just a plain sump?

Of course. It's just not as beneficial, IMO.

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Matt,
Normaly don't get into the darkside too much but your tank looks nice. I like your rock arangement and your corals look nice too.

How many LB of LR do you have in there?

55G Planted tank thread
19G Container Pond
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric

Hey, thanks for visiting the darkside and for the nice comments, wings. I think I have about 45 lbs or so of LR in there. Mostly Fiji.

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I just visited RandyO again, always has nice stuff. I got a few pretty neat frags.

Purple oxypora(i think) with green eyes:


Purple, green, and brown Zoanthids:


Blue/green and pink echino:


And a porcelain crab I got from work:

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Everything is still looking great!

I agree that Peppermint Shrimp are wonderful for getting rid of the pest anemone. My shrimp got rid of the little boogers in no time flat as well

I do have a question for ya. I was looking to get a few Zoos but I read somewhere that peppermint shrimp will pick at (eat) them. Have you found that with your experience?

Keep up the great work! BTW, thanks for all your help!

-Josh

I've been keeping an eye out for them bothering my zoanthids, cause I have a couple nice frags I don't want them bothering with, but I haven't seen the peppermints near them at all. I think there is plenty for them to eat in my tank though. They are general scavengers as well, and I make sure to feed something that sinks for them a couple times a week. I think they are pretty satisfied in my tank, I have two now, a male and female I think. The female is about to pop with all the eggs she is carrying. Free food for the tank I guess.

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What do you sink for them to eat?

-Josh

I have krill and some sinking veggie type pellets that I sink to them. They also get some of the mysis and brine that I feed to the rest of the tank, as well as the occasional live baby brine that I get from work.

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Just another quick update to drag this thread from the depths.

Oxypora growth pic:


Green zoanthid growth:


New candy cane (caulastrea) frag:


Shot of peppy la shrimp:


enjoy

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*sigh*

I wish I had a tank that looked that darn good *day dreaming*

Maybe someday. Looks GREAT Matt!

-Josh

Thanks Josh, you'll get it too. Tanks have a way of maturing. I definitely noticed the tank get better with age. I think I got lucky a few times with the setup, too. As they say, it's better to be lucky than smart/skilled!

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Well I made my first modification to my tank in quite a while. Recently I decided that there wasn't enough flow/waviness going on in my tank. I didn't want to just add some powerheads, not because of the powerheads themselves, there's plenty of places to hide them if you are creative, but because they don't accomplish anything but water pushing. So I got one of these natural wave timer dealies]http://www.marinedepot.com/aquarium_wavemakers_aquarium_systems_natural_wave.asp?CartId=[/link]. Because it alternates flow from one powerhead to another, two powerheads weren't going to cut it. I got two maxijet 900's in addition to the acuaclear 200 and 300 I already had. Since the timer only accommodates 3 powerheads, I got a [link=hydor flo for the fourth, which runs constantly. Only one of the new powerheads is visible at all, but I'm not bothered too much by it anyways. I have the timer set to switch every 30 seconds, though I might change that. So far I'm very impressed with these products. If I can get a video posted onto photobucket, I'll link to it later tonight maybe.

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I always wondered how those products worked! I can't wait to see the result! Thanks for sharing

-Josh

Well I really like the flow I have through the tank now. I haven't had time to make a video and post it on photobucket, but I probably will in the future.

The real reason for the post though is to say that I am getting new lights for the tank. My freshwater tank needs the same fixture as the salt tank, so I decided to upgrade to a T5HO setup. I decided on the IceCap 660 and 4 39w bulbs. It was a retrofit kit that I ordered, and I already built the hood from the dimensions that ReefGeek gave me. I'm thinking this is going to be a lot more light than the tank is used to. I was hoping that someone might be able to tell me if I could run two cycles, two lights on for 10-12hrs and two lights on for 6-8 hrs, using one ballast. I've used and wired IceCap ballasts before, but never tried to do this. I know that other flourescent fixtures with two switches only use one ballast, so I think it's possible. Any help would be much appreciated.

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Just out of curiousity matt, howcome you put that yellowhead in the sump and not the main tank?

Hello Bonny,

Well I put him in there for a couple of reasons. First, I wanted him to be happy. I didn't want a DSB, which they need, in the main display. I only wanted an inch or two of sand. Second, the sump would be awful boring if he weren't down there. Since I have the tank on alternate light cycles, there's always something to look at, and I like it that way.

Hope that was a good answer

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Well I got my lights today and set them up and will run tomorrow. I found out that you can't split one ballast onto two timers so I reduced the total duration from 12 to 10 hrs, and put a sheet of screening over to block some of the light. Even with that, these lights are multiple times brighter than my PC's. I will be watching very closely to make sure my corals react well, but unfortunately I have to work all day tomorrow. I'll also take some pics of the whole thing when I get around to it. Things are pretty dead in here anyways, so I'm sure it's no big deal.

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I have some pics for ya on the lighting front. All the corals seem to be doing better with the increased lighting. In a few days I plan on increasing the duration to 11hrs, then back to 12. After that I'll remove the sheet of screening. I think that's a pretty descent acclimation. This will all take a couple weeks at least.

Now for the pics:

Just the lights:


Lights on:


Fixture on the tank, night time:


Fixture on the tank, day time:


So far, I am very much enjoying the new lights. I have already noticed a positive reaction in a couple corals in the first couple days. The acan lords is puffy and colorful for the first time since I bought it. The hammer, torch, and galaxia seem to be reaching less, but aren't retracted, so I take that as a positive sign as well.

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Absolutely Incredible!! It's amazing what a difference the lights make.

Looks Great!!

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"it's the neck, it creaks under the weight of too much heavy thinking."

Matty, I've just read your log from back to front and your journey has been very interesting. Your tank is so pretty, very colourful and all.

We set up a reef tank in June. Mainly live rock and only a couple of pieces of coral, 2 wild caught clowns & 1 damsel. Still trying to settle the clowns (only got them Thursday last week). They still haven't quite figured out the eating thing for us yet, although we had more success tonight than previously.

Our tank is nowhere near as nice as yours. Good job

Cheers
TW

Thanks so much on the compliments, both of you.

TankWatcher- try feeding some live brine if your LFS carries it. Almost all fish will take to that immediately. You can then get them off the live stuff by mixing frozen in with the live stuff. Good luck, reef tanks take some patience, and time to settle in, but I'm sure you'll do fine.

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ADD A MANDARIN!!!!

Well I'm thinking the light may be too bright. A few of the corals are losing color, they are lps after all. Some, however, are looking better than they did under pc's. I've kept the screen on and I only ended up increasing the lighting cycle to 10.5 hrs. I'm thinking about taking one bulb out and just rewiring for three. Opinions anybody? I'll include some pics at the end here.



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not lookin' as good

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Another not lookin as good:

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Lookin good(lets say better than when I got it):

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Also looking better than it was:


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acan lords

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Matty, I think you will be fine leaving the lights the way that they are. It looks like the corals are still adjusting and just mass produced zooxanthellae which is why they are more brown and not as vibrant. If you want to rewire it and only run 3 bulbs for the time being and then add the 4th bulb later down the road after they have adjusted then you could do that also. I honestly think that if you give them more time they will be fine and color up nicely for you again. Corals can take months to get back to the way they were after a lighting upgrade, been there, done that, freaked out quite a few times

Thanks for the reply DRO, I'll trust you and leave be for another month or so, see if things start improving. That's a pretty good explanation, I didn't think about the mass production of zoox. And now that you mention it they do look more brown than white, I thought they were bleaching out a little, but now I don't think so.

Thanks

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new lights are always fun lookin' good as always

-Formerly known as the Ferretfish

I got meself a new coral yesterday. It's what appears to be an acanthastrea lordhowensis. It's almost totally purple, but these things can change. For size reference it's about 6in X 3 in...or the second larges coral I have.

Here's a pic:

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That's a nice one, way better than mine. If you don't mind me asking, how much did it set you back? Whenever I see them for sale, stores are asking for really high prices. And for a coral that websites don't seem to have any info on.

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And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."

Thanks Books, it's purdy . A pretty good find. I don't mind telling what I paid, it cost me $80. I get things at cost, and I don't buy big stuff very often. Most everything I buy is frags, and mostly covered by the xenia I supply the store with. I've only treated myself to a nice colony twice, the other wasn't as expensive.

BTW, yours is very nice too. I haven't seen an acan lords that I didn't like, or want a frag of.

And for a coral that websites don't seem to have any info on.

What would you like to know?

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Nah, not me, it just seems like some people (like in posts on RC) just buy it because it's an "in" thing but don't know anything about it. One of the recent TFH issues even had an article that talked about must-have marine livestock, and included Acan. lords.

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And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."

Gotcha.

It's unfortunate, but entirely understandable, that they are an "in" coral. They are some of the most colorful corals, intensity and range of colors as well. Orange, red, green, blue, pink, yellow, (purple), white, grey, and in all combinations of those. They are definitely marked up in some places. I can think of an RC member who is selling them and micromussa for $200 PER POLYP. People have bought those too. Ah well, that's reefin' *shrugs*.

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*posting in attempt to read the last page*

-Formerly known as the Ferretfish

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The Acan craze is still going? Its been over and done with here for 6 months now. Everyone has them and is trading/fragging for everyone that doesnt so the demand isnt high here.

I don't think we ever really got a craze locally. There's only one store that sells them. The price is high, but that's normal they charge a lot for everything. Mine were free.

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And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."

From what I can tell the acan craze is still going on everywhere, even the left coast. I dunno though, there are micromussa and zoanthids in the mix now. Those PPE, RPE, OPE....blabla etc. are the talk of the town. gotta catchy name for every color morph out there. All I can say is that if it's not brown I like it. I dunno what all the fuss is about.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

it told me there was a pg. 14 but wouldn't let me look at it, not important. lol.

-Formerly known as the Ferretfish

haha corals are cheaper over hear (way cheaper considering the Australian and US dollars). I new it would be cheaper but not by this much...
http://shop.australiancoralfarms.com.au/cat/19761.html

i suppose it makes up for how expensive our equipment is...

EDIT: the acans craze is begining in Australia too...

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''All the clown fish and yellow tangs in the world cant save you now!''

I'd quick buy that one for 0 dollars.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Not a bad price at all.

How about an update?

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''All the clown fish and yellow tangs in the world cant save you now!''

Not much to update. I did reduce the lighting down to 3 bulbs because things were continuing to look bad. Things are looking a bit better than they were. Some things are still brown though. I traded a ton of xenia to a fellow reefer for another frag of acan lords. It's green and red. One of the polyps got eaten/attacked by a frag of echinopora that I guess I had too close. They were about 4 inches away from each other. I finally gave up on the sun polyps. I've been feeding them every other day for 6 months or something and they continued to recede slowly so I think there was something else going on there. I also got a tiny little sarco frag for a pittance from work. It's hangin' out in the sump. That's all really. I don't have any pics of anything. I may try to grab some after the lights come on today.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Well I thought I'd update with pictures. Things are slowly coloring up with the three bulbs on there. I really think I messed up putting all four on at once. More a shock to the corals than too much light for them.

So I caught my stomatella cruisin' around the overflow box....check 'im out:



My new echinopora, pretty sleek if you ask me....:


...but mean too, he attacked and killed a whole polyp offa this guy his first night:


A candy cane and some nice zoas:


Clown goby and monty cap, which has regained color nicely after bleaching from the lights:


Red and green blasto which is throwing out a few more heads:


Finally, the best pic I've taken in a while:


Hope that was enjoyable

Oh yeah...and happy 1yr anniversary to this tank 12 days ago, counting from when I put the first LR in.

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I got a new camera very recently, so I've been taking a bunch of pictures trying to get a hang of all the new functions and settings and whatnot. I'm not really sure why I bother posting stuff up here anymore....but here we go:

Some zoas:


Peppermint Shrimp:


Somewhat new merletti:


Purple lords doing some color rearranging:


Closeup of the hammer:


Green and purple and brown zoas:


Another shot of the clown goby:


Little blue legg:


Macro of my blasto wellsi:


Other than that, my corals are continueing to get more comfortable and coloring up more every week. I currently have 1 10K 1actinic and 1 6500K bulb for lights and I'm thinking of switching out one of the daylights for maybe a 20,000K or 50/50 if they make them for T5s so maybe I see a bit more color from the corals. I dunno, lemme know if you guys have any opinions on that.

I also modded the overflow with a bit of eggcrate and some extra filter material that I can clean weekly. This has actually cut down on the waterfall noise considerably, and I wish I'd thought of it sooner. Just thought I'd share.

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I also got a good pic of my clowns:

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Well you know how most of us in the Planted side feel about this Dark side stuff but I figured I would check it out. I checked out your full tank shot a page back and I really like your rock work. It has a nice flow to it.



55G Planted tank thread
19G Container Pond
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric

Nice shots matty! And keep posting pics

Some of them have simple camera'shake blur caused by unsetady hands. Mount that sucker on a tripod and shut off the IS. Difference in shutter speed is already evident.

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Back in the saddle!

Thanks guys,

I'll try and get a full tank shot up of this too nowher.

Thanks for the comment on the rocks wings, I really wish I had more room fron to back to work with, it would help create a look of depth.

Nowher- even if I got a tripod(which I don't have yet ), why would I turn the IS off? Does that have an effect on shutter speed and what not?

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Matt, I may not respond, but I check this thread out pretty regularly looking for new photos. You're getting really good a shooting and your new camera helps a lot, too.

Keep it up!

"Shut off the IS" ... this one puzzles me. IS???

One aspect of digital cameras that I know has a bad effect on aquarium photography is autofocus. Unless your camera's autofocus mechanism is a sophisticated one (and has a fast response time), what can happen is this. You fire the shutter, the camera then sets about 'hunting' for the correct focus, and by the time it's decided to lock on to a target, your fish has moved. Stick it on manual focus and the shutter fires the instant you press the button. In the case of my Fuji, the autofocus mechanism can take two seconds to lock on, by which time a fish was well and truly shot out of the frame.

Of course this matters less with sessile invertebrates, but even so, your corals might decide to open their polyps spectacularly whily you're peeking through the viewfinder, and you might want to capture that ... which if the autofocus mechanism 'hunts' as mine does, ruins the shot.

If your camnera supports the requisite features, I'd use them:

[1] Manual focus (along with a focus locking button to preset the focus beforehand, along with fine adjustment by turning the lens barrel);

[2] Fully manual selection of shutter speed and aperture;

[3] Ability to use an external flashgun.

Select manual focus, full manual operation, and dial in the requisite shutter speed and aperture values. With an external flashgun, you will be able to have the best of both worlds - a narrow aperture (which increases depth of field) AND a high shutter speed to avoid camera shake. Mine will let me take shots at 1/500 sec at an aperture setting of f11 with an external flash bolted on, because the flash I use carpet bombs the target with enough light for the resulting image to be exposed properly. If you can buy (or borrow) a flashgun with a guide number of 20 or upwards, then this will give you the same luxury - the narrowest aperture setting PLUS a fast shutter speed so that camera shake isn't a problem. If you're shooting at 1/500 sec, then you'll be able to capture even the fastest moving of your aquarium occupants strutting their stuff and be confident that the result will be in focus and properly exposed. Of course, the beauty of digital cameras is that you can test out the settings beforehand - run with something like 1/250 second at f5.6 to start with, and if that is massively overexposed, start shrinking the aperture first, THEN bump up the shutter speed. Sometimes, if I'm using the macro setting, I can shoot at 1/1000 sec at f11 and still come away with a properly exposed image.

It'll take some practise, but wait until you see the end results. You'll be discarding fewer 'bad' shots and keeping a LOT more top quality ones that show off your corals and your fishes the way they look to your eyes - which is what you want after all!

Oh, and congratulations on some fine corals and fishes, by the way.


Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002

Thanks for the comments nate it's good to know people actually do read the posts I put up here. I was starting to think I should keep the pictures of my salt stuff to myself.

Cali - Thanks for the nice comments, and camera advice. BTW, how come we don't see more shots of your panda cories in action? My new camera is a canon A710 IS. The IS stands for Image Stabilizer. It's basically a cool dealie built into the lens that reduces the hand shake noise in the picture.

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Just lately I've been holding back on Panda frolics, for several reasons ...

[1] Recent trips to hospital to sort out the kidney stone issue;

[2] My Fuji has one BIG disadvantage, being that it eats battery power at a rate of knots (use the built in flash and my battery lasts about 25 minutes);

[3] I've already littered the web with enough Panda spawning shots to last for some time to come

I'm hoping to have something else to point the camera at soon - a litle Christmas present to myself of some Anomalochromis thomasi Cichlids.

Ah, image stabilisation. Not sure how it works, but I suspect it could have an effect upon shutter speed. I'll have to look this up.

The basic rule of thumb I was taught way back in the days of manual SLRs is that 1/60 second is the slowest shutter speed you can use that eliminates camera shake. Which is why many manual SLRs of old are designed to synchronise with a flashgun at that speed if they have focal plane shutters such as my old Olympus OM30. (It's one of the less happy aspects of the focal plane shutter that flash synchronisation takes place at lower speeds than with a leaf shutter, which can synchronise at any speed you like).

As to how digital cameras mimic the 'shutter' function, this is something I'm going to have to look up. Should prove interesting.


Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002