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Whats better the 24gal jbj, or the 29gal bio-cube by oceanic. my LFS has a special on the bio-cube for like 199.99 until tommorow?

what about the damsels commonly used as feeders?

also how would one go about creating their own SW tank using say a standard 20g tank?

what are the necessary filteration needs and lighting needs?

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the JBJ is the Deltec Nano - that's the best nano you can buy for around that sort of money..Orcas are rubbish, ive not tried any others.
Damsels are aggressive, and turn ugly when they get bigger....surely you'd just rather save up for two weeks and get a fish you like and matches your system rather than something you have to have because its cheap.
there's a reason why fish are cheap normally.
Cheap fish you might want to look at are stuff like cleaner wrasse, neon gobies (i would highly reccomend these over cleaner wrasse as the neons are often cultivated in home aquaria and are perfectly adapted specimens), ocellaris clowns, dwarf fuzzy lionfish (will eat small fish and DEFINATLY small shrimps and crabs), yellow headed jawfish, watchman gobies, royal grammas (bit territorial), strawberry grammas etc. All these fish are under £20 each...about $40.
If you're seriously not prepared to spend that on a fish, dont buy the system and waste it on two damsels..

brandeeno, I'm not aware of damsels being sold as feeders; at least, none of the LFSes here do that. Also, the necessary filtration and lighting you can get depends on what you want to do. If you want a reef it's going to make it a lot different than an aquarium with fish and live rock. For example, on my 55 gallon with 40 watts NO fluorescent I'm not going to be keeping 99% of corals anytime soon as they tend to be photosynthetic. Since I'm keeping nothing that's really photosynthetic, lights only have to be good enough for viewing.

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So, The bio-cube I should stay away from and find a jbj 24gal

Also is a 24gal a decent size if im wanting some fish? I've heard the bio-cube by oceanic is a good set up? but hey im new so just wanna make sure!! I cant find jbj here I'd have to order. And the Bio-cube is what my stores have!

well i wasnt sure as popular freshwater fish tend to be lower priced and i didnt know (ie neon tetras like 50cents to $1.50...

ok so tell me a good system and a price and i will set a target saving rate for before summer as i know there is no way i can save up arround a grand before summer seeing as i already owe my dad $500 for my trip to AUS and i gotta pay that!

anyways, just let me know a site that sells them or whatever so i can keep watch and also what i need to to get for one (ie live sand, live rock, live tank cleaners, corals, fish, etc.)

also what is the most ideal ornamental fish for a tank about 24g that would withstand error on a beginner?

THANKS!!!

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Neon gobies!!!!

Adorable little gems, they are. I think if you like clownfish, you should go in that direction though, since they are easy to care for and can take a little abuse.

Glad you found someone who could help you sort out the kit thing.
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Hey ya'll Before I got pick up a tank what is better, the 29gal oceanic bio-cube, or a jbj 24gal?

or the aqua -pod 24gal? I've had a lot of people tell me a lot of different opinions so far so....... Do they all pretty much have the same stuff?

I think they are all pretty similar. I'm not positive on the equipment on each, but I'd look for one that has nice big fans and glass instead of acrylic.

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The 24 deltecs have come down ridiculously in price sine the new Deltec 28 was launched, all kitted out, and £600!

pfft. I like my 24 gallon Current USA AquaPod HQI better than all the other nanos. I especially love the 150w 14K HQI lighting with lunar lights. Had to take it down, but hoping to have it set up again in the near future.



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wow that is a nice set up, do the stock lights provide enough energy for photosynthetic corals and anemones?


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Well Looks like i better order either a aquapod or a jbj nano. The oceanic was my first choice cuz it's bigger by 5gal. But the aquapod/jbj have 3 stage filter vs the 2stage in the oceanic. Im thinking the jbj is best because it has a 36W light vs the 32W in the aquapod. Plus it has two cooling fans on it and aquapod only has one. Well let me know what ya'll think

brandeeno, they provide more than enough lighting for photosynthesis within the corals. I had a 3-4cm diameter brain coral that came in on some live rock. It grew to over 15cm in less than a year. And a 2 head hammer frag that I got, had 6 heads in a year.

I had to take my tank down when I moved. And have not set it back up yet, because I don't know how long I will be here. But, since I have now been here for almost a year, I am thinking about setting it back up. Even though I still don't know how long I will be here yet, lol.

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