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My current tank is 30gal & would like to increase size of aquarium. Currently have :

2 Panda Angels
3 Black Lace
1 Yellow rainbow
2 Red Dwarf Gouramis
2 Corydoras

Any help would be great I am new at this.

thanks

2 Panda Angels
3 Black Lace
1 Yellow rainbow
2 Red Dwarf Gouramis
2 Corydoras

Hi there,
Id recommend a tank of 55-75g.
In a 55g tank You could have 5-6 Angels.
In A 75g you could have 6-8.
Then you could increase your numbers of rainbowfish
and cory cats to appropriate numbers.
Rainbowfish should be kept in a group of 3 minimum,
and Cory cats in a group of 6 of all one species.



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Hi So_Very_Sneaky,

Thanks for the info on the tank size. I was leaning towards a 55gal. As for the rainbows I had 3 (1m/2f) but I had some bullies in my tank & they were nipping my Angels fins. They killed 2 of my rainbows so now Im down to 1m. Got rid of the bullies & I added 2 more Angels. But do you think I can add a few more Corys?

Once you're up to a 55 gallon, boost your Cory numbers to 8. Make sure they're all the same species for best effect. What species do you have currently?

Once you move up to a 55, I would also consider making it a planted aquarium with straight Vallisneria as the principal plant, as this is the kind of plant that the Angel Fishes would swim amongst in the wild - tall, reedy, grass-like aquatic plants that allow them to hide and ambush small fishes. In a 55, you could try Giant Vallisneria.

If the budget will run to a 75 or larger, then you could have 8 Angels, 12 Corys, and keep the 30 for more Rainbow Fishes, depending upon species (if they're big Rainbow Fishes, put them in the 75 with the Angels and make sure you have a shoal of 8).



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one more thing....

Since my Angels are young (size of a quarter) ....how much time do I have before I have to move them to larger tank & would I be OK to add more plants to my current size tank?

Hi Cali,

My Corys are 1 Elegant & 1 Leopard.

it all depends on their diet and how frequent you do water changes. i got mine back in april and they were just larger than a dime and now are almost silver dollar

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Hi Monkeyboy,

They are fed Tetra Color Trop. flakes & every now & then I will throw in Tubifex worms (frozen). They seem to enjoy them. I am planning to head to the LFS & pick up some brine shrimp (live), for variety. As for water changes, I do a 25% about every week & a half some time every 2 weeks, depending on my time. The water quality has been perfect so far. I test every week.

I currently have a few artificial plants(6) but it looks a little sparce. The plants vary in height. I would like to add more but I am afarid of overcrowding them since I have so many young angles. I also have what looks like drift wood & 2 large stones. Any suggestions????

hey by the way very nice tank....is it a 55gal? If it is how is the maintenance? diff/easy?

I am looking to upgrade eventually.....I love my Angels.

For full grown pairs, I'd say one pair per 20 gallons is probably okay... I have a 65 gal. tank, and at one time had 8 ~2" (just body, not fins) angels in it, and it looked awfully crowded. If I still had that many angels, much less mature pairs, it wouldn't have been good in that tank. I have 3 adults now (no pairs, so very little aggression) and I could probably add one more and have it be a nice community--provided none of them paired up.

I got my angels at dime-size, and I've had them for about a year now and they are small adults (body 3", not counting fins). It took a good 4 months for them to reach above quarter size, but after that, they grew fairly steadily. I think if you feed them small amounts more often, and are very prompt with water changes every week, they will grow much faster. I have had great luck with hikiari's first bites powdered fry food, alternated with crushed flake and bloodworms. If you feed live foods like baby brine shrimp, blackworms, or daphnia, you'll probably get even better results.

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Hi Illustrae,

Thanks for the info.....so are you saying I have a few months to upgrade my tank size?
If so thats great. Im hoping for the larger aquarium for my B-day from my husband. The other thing is I would really like a Golden Angel as well. Am I being too greedy in wanting more Angels with the capacity being what it is right now????

I do love my Angels......

First of all, if you want to keep both species of Cory, you'll need a setup eventually that will allow your Angels to have space AND at least 6 each of those Corys, preferably more. I' start planning for a 75 gallon, possibly even a 90. Not least because .. I had Angels as a teenager, and my biggest male ened up nine inches tall. He was an absolute whopper, and no, he wasn't an altum Angel, because back in the 70's they were unheard of in the UK outside of public aquaria. He was your 'bog standard' natural colour scheme Pterophyllum scalare, but to me he was anything BUT 'bog standard', he was gorgeous to look at ... under the lighting he had a lavender iridescence when the light struck him at certain angles, that covered the upper half of the silver parts of his body between the stripes ... haven't seen one even close to him in appearance since.

Basically, if you have Angels, and they start spawning like mine did, then you're looking at providing them with LOTS of space to keep them happy. They'll reward your generosity many times over by the way if you do - when your Angels have bodies that are over four inches in diameter, and long tall dorsal and anal fins, they'll blow your socks off. In a 90 gallon, they could grow that big with ease, and you'll NEVER go back to a small tank for Angels ever again once you see them grow to that size.


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Thanks Cali..

Thats good to know......I will keep that in mind on my next trip to the LFS. but am I OK to add more corys now since my tank is currently 30gal ? & the capacity being what it is?

For the time being, with numerous Angels in there with the Corys, it might be a good idea to hold back for a while, and upgrade the numbers once you have more space. Initially, once the Angels are moved to a larger tank, you can bring the Cory numbers up piecemeal in the 30, then transfer them to the larger aquarium afterwards.

If you're fortunate enough to move up to a 90 gallon, then you could have 8 each of the Corys no problem even with the Angels, because in a 90 there would be plenty of space. Be prepared for the Corys to start spawning once you do give them more numbers and space though - my 14 Pandas are completely nuts in this regard!


Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002

Wow ...

I didn't even think about the corys reproducing...DUUHHH

So I guess I will have to wait on getting my Gold Angel til then....Its going to be sooooo hard ...The Temptation!!!!!

Thanks

Heh heh heh.

Depending upon how happy the Corys are, they can reproduce at a prodigious rate. When my Pandas are in peak condition, they can spawn once every three days.

In fact, it's thanks to this that I have 14 Pandas in the main aquarium. I did have 12: the other two appeared because the 12 existing adults spawned like mad, and despite the best efforts of the snails and the Cardinals devouring the resulting eggs, two baby ones showed up and added to the numbers.

Don't forget that Pandas produce only relatively small clutches of eggs - mine have never produced more than 25 in a single spawn. Your Leopard Cory, once it has some playmates, could produce 200 eggs per spawn. Likewise, Corydoras elegans has been documented to produce 250 eggs per spawn. With egg clutches that size, you could find yourself seeing quite a few juveniles cropping up even though you haven't intentionally bred them. Mind you, Corys are always good sellers, so selling the babies shouldn't be a problem ...

At this point I'm wishing that I had the capital to buy myself some Corydoras weitzmani. These are expensive fishes - they're £24 each here in the UK - but if I obtained a group and spawned them, I'd make a killing selling the babies.


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Well Cali

I think you may be on to something there....Have you ever considered the idea of selling? With your knowledge & experience in Corys you should do pretty well!!

Think about it:y
Hey I do have a question about the Corys....I know that Angels Breed with one another regardless of coloring....Do Corys do the same? or do they stick with their own species?

Most angels are the same species, albeit different color varieties/phenotypes. Cories of different species aren't likely to breed together, although if you had, say, an albino and a normal-colored bronze cory, they might breed.

But, as has been previously mentioned, they also do best in groups of their own species. In a community tank like that you're less likely to have any surviving fry from the corys.

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Thanks Superlion...

I wasn't sure about corys, I knew that it did not matter with Angels. Thanks again.
& thank you to everyone who was kind enough to answer my questions.

I have learned so much from this site