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Even if the applesnail did hunt down and catch the fish that doesn't make it right to punish it for doing something that is in it's nature to do. The snail was purchased as a pet and therefore should be treated as one. You wouldn't take pictures of yourself chopping up your dog after he's eaten your pet rabbit or beheading your Oscar because he munched your danios.

i hate to keep this going, and i don't want and argument but i think it is funny how people justify killing other animals to make themselves feel better. would we being having this discussion if he told you he buy's large snails as food, or is it just because he killed it out of anger.

befor you said that it was ok to kill the small snails because they are pest, but mabey he thinks that his large snail was a pest.

i just think it is strange the way people look at things they do and how the mood that they where in when an action was performed determines if it was right or wrong. of course leaving out extreme cases such as self defense.

the only reason i am still responding is because i really like to look at the way other people think. everyone reacts differently to different situations and i like to see how people view the actions that these people. mabey i need to take some psyc. classes.



chris

well i dont think a snail could catch a fish if it wanted too but im not saying it cant catch live food i believe with toitis all da way

I really doubt that it cought that fish, most likely the fish was either dead or really ill for the snail to get to it. Also their is a difference between feeding fry to other fish, using feeder fish, etc. etc. VS Killing an animal out of spite. I think the difference should be pretty obvious and if you don't see the difference well, then, I don't know what to tell you. lol

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P. bridgesii rarely do, but Pomacea gigas/maculata do...quite frequently.

Ok, that explains it then. Thanks

From the pic it appears to be a P. canaliculata. They only grow to be about 2.5 inches in diameter and aren't very quick moving. I find it hard to believe that it would have been able to catch a fish. I love snails and have several in my tanks with all my small fish and never once have I seen any of them even attempt to catch one -even at night.

I treat my feeders(crickets) just as well as any of my other pets. They have they're own tank and food that gets refreshed daily. I also don't chop them up or pull parts of their bodies off before feeding them to my pets. A feeder animal's death is normally pretty quick. You can't tell me this guy took the time to humanely euthanize the snail before chopping it's shell up and giving it to his fish. The fact that he took pictures is enough to make me ill. Feeder or not, you shouldn't cause any animal unneccessary suffering.

Toirtis - what species do you keep? I have kept about 400 Pomacea bridgesii at one time, and in a couple years time have never seen them eat nor catch anything live to eat.

P. bridgesii rarely do, but Pomacea gigas/maculata do...quite frequently.

last comment, what is the difference between gold fish that are bought as feeders and gold fish that are bought as pets. is that like a luck thing. will i get a bowl or will i get to be dinner.

i have also seen a lot of post where people use their fish fry as feeders, so the parents are pets but the offspring are worthless.


chris

last comment, what is the difference between gold fish that are bought as feeders and gold fish that are bought as pets. is that like a luck thing. will i get a bowl or will i get to be dinner.

i have also seen a lot of post where people use their fish fry as feeders, so the parents are pets but the offspring are worthless.


chris

Toirtis - what species do you keep? I have kept about 400 Pomacea bridgesii at one time, and in a couple years time have never seen them eat nor catch anything live to eat.

Well I just happen to look over at my tank and I have this snail that I thought was dead as it hasn't moved since the actual day I got it. Well I moved it out where I could keep an eye out to see if it moved at all. Well I happen to look over to see this ( sorry about the flash reflection as I was rather livid at the moment as this is one of those fish that you can just find at any LFS and they aren't cheap if you can, look at the right if the shell opening you can see a tail of an Aspidorus Pouciradiatus )


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I got even though ] I have pics of how but I don't know if I should post them but I'll put it this way the loaches and cories in the tank will be eating well for a couple days.[/font]

Applesnails don't catch live prey, lol.

Want to wager on that? I have seen plenty of applesnails catch live prey...usually at night.

Well, usually the snails are killed out of necessity, and not out of anger.

apple snails are a non-pest snail (in the tank anyway ). usually the snails that people kill are the ones who invade the tank and go from 3 to 300 in a matter of months. and as stated before, apple snails don't kill fish, they only eat the ones who are dead already.

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not choosing sides here but dont people kill small snails all the time, or use a solution to get them off their plants.

and what about feeding live or frozen foods that are raised to be feed to fish, you guys would never do that though, would you?

imo, i like crushing the small snails in my tank because my fish just love to eat it.



chris

For some reason i dont think he is But if he is then he pulled the wool over my eyes

I have pics of how but I don't know if I should post them but I'll put it this way the loaches and cories in the tank will be eating well for a couple days.

You're kidding, right?

Erm, you killed your snail?

You know...it seems rather silly and cruel to intentionally kill an animal for doing what nature intended it to do- scavange on dead things. Even if the snail had somehow managed to catch a swimming fish, is that really a good reason to kill it?

It sounds more like killing a helpless critter out of spite than any sort of justice, IMO.

Applesnails don't catch live prey, lol. :%)

Why on earth would you take pictures of yourself killing an animal? That's awful. Please don't post them.

Applesnails aren't hunters, they're scavengers. The only way it could've gotten ahold of your fish is if the fish was dead already(or too sick to swim) or if the fish was investigating the snail a little too close and the snail shut it's trap door, accidentally catching the fish in it in the process. I've never heard of a healthy fish that was too slow to escape from a snail.