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They look great Cory, keep up the good work

They're small alright. I've wanted very badly to run a 3-sided box filter I have. I ran it for about an hour yesterday while they were in that container. It had floss and activated carbon in it. There's just a lot of particulate matter that doesn't go away with water changes. I want to make sure it doesn't foul up. I do about 30-40% water changes daily just to get out uneaten food. It is so hard to get it to them.

OMG sooo cute ...and sooo tiny still it doesn't show up until you throw a nickle in the shot .

^_^

...and sooo tiny still it doesn't show up until you throw a nickle in the shot...

- They best part is that anyone who sees them in person says, OMG - they're getting so big . Does that give you and idea of how small they started?

The biggest one has grown overnight again. I can't believe it myself. He's just leaving the other two in the dust. All are eating and apparently healhty, but his growth is phenomenol. He's finally starting to look like a fish. The other two, especially the tiniest one, look more like larvae yet.

I see what appears to be anal fins coming in now. They are definitely continuing to grow. The strange behavior shown by the largest one is no more. He is doing quite well and growing solidly. I think he may have been "spreading his wings" so to speak with all that wild swimming. He darts around more normal if you walk up to the tank now.

I also notice that they have more of a flee relfex now. This was not an issue in the first few weeks. I don't think they sensed danger. Now they dart for the weeds.

Theres only three fry? Or are those the only your keeping track of??

There's only three fry (they were "unexpected" I think it's pretty awesome!

wow they really are developing fast aren't they...they actually look cute, compared to some of the adult versions (sorry not a goldfish fan.

they look about the size of my guppy fry...(newborn)

Hi People

I started this in the Coldwater Forum not realizing my fancy goldfish fry would make it this far. It was an unexpected hatch - in a bucket, where I had placed my goldfish hornwort and javamoss for a few days . I couldn't just dump them. They were about a day old, still clinging vertically to the sides of the bucket when found.

I took the first pics the second day. I moved them at about 5 days to a 5.5 gallon very carefully. You can catch details of the first two weeks here:

http://www.fishprofiles.com/interactive/forums/thread.asp?id=31580

I will use this as a weekly update and will provide 2-day old pics to start, 1 week old, and 2 week old. The other link provides a pic of a fry that died 10 minutes after the picture with something obviously wrong digestive-wise. I have had no other problems.

Fry are eating mainly Hikari First Bites (a finely ground, powdered food loaded with vitamins critical to development) and thawed frozen bbs. I tried hatching some but didn't do too well at that . I also found that some planaria, which are on the plants, are also being eaten when the water is disturbed and they come floating out. .

Water changes have been about 24-26 hours. Water going back in is about a degree or two warmer and I spread it out over time so as not to shock them. I add it with just a cup. The water sits out for a few days and is near their tank in a jug, already conditioned.

A sponge filter, which was unseeded is all they have for filtration. I'll get a picture of the entire set up and post back later. I used New and Improved Cycle. Too keep the water from fouling, I siphon the bottom with a straw connected to an airline.

Here is their first home on day 2:



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I know Diane, but it's really tough to make that call when he was fighting so hard. It truly is survival of the fittest I guess. I guess we always hope for miracles

Well, he was hiding in the java moss this morning, and came out to feed. The little guy wants to live, there's no doubt. I don't know if I'm prolonging the inevitable, but as long as he is eating I have to let him do his thing. I'll leave it up to him. With some poop coming out, he is obviously eating despite my not seeing him take any in.

I'm going to be delayed with pictures, being easter

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its alrite, out of the 100-1,000 eggs a fish lays, not all can survive.

Theres always next time cory, since the parents are still with you.

Awe Sorry to hear you lost the little one

It's ok. I thought it would have been better for him if I had euthanized him. But if he perished in the night and got picked away by Nemo, then at least he served a useful purpose. Incidentally, I found some unusually colored poopie on the tank bottom today. I would say it pretty much confirms my suspicion. It was fry-colored and there was lots of it.

My only concern now is the bump I see on the bottom of Nemo's chin. I'm really hoping this is just part of his head structure coming in, maybe ahead of the rest. He doesn't seem bothered by it and appears quite normal.

wow, raising egg layer fry is sure a lot more work than with the livebearers eh?
I am really moved by your touching shared experience! My boyfriend once said "Anything that is shared, is Spiritual"! Sure is true! Good luck with the remaining fry!
I will be following his journey to adulthood!
Cheers,
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Thanks. He's doing pretty good. I have to admit, had all the others lived I would have had a logistics problem. I truly hope "Junior" survives. He's chowing up all those microworms I put in the tank. He has figured out how to wrestle with them. At first he wasn't use to his food fighting back .

Well, it was a long week with work and I needed to catch up today. Didn't take any pics. He looks pretty much the same, just bigger. I may take the pics every two weeks. However, the pics in this thread will disappear if the thread goes two weeks without a post. - so, I may give an update if I see no activity.

Good to hear he's still doing good

Psssttt...you might wanna work on your sig line

^_^


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OK - is it going to work for me today? I'm losing count, but I think this is week 9. Gosh, just 1 week shy of 2 months

EDIT: NOT!!!

He hasn't changed much shape-wise. Rather he is just growing in size now. I may post 2 month pics next week, then I'll probably skip to every other week.

Here's the link to the Album for weeks 6-9. The last four pics are from week 9. No week 8 pics

Week 9 Fry Pics

The quality is lousy - it looks like he's got spots, but he doesn't. ]:|

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I just love "Sizing up the Temp" that's a classic


^_^

He sure is cute!

Well, the little guy sure is getting bigger rather fast. I often wondered why he wouldn't eat algae as it has been growing in abundance - the soft type most fish like to eat. Well, today I found like 20 little green poopies . I'm glad he's getting his veggies.

I just decided to add this pic to test netscape. I cannot attach pics in IE.

Unfortunately, that awful dotted look is still there so it must be in the original.

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cory, i usually will feed the hungary little guys whatever i have...lol
but what i try to feed is..
first 3 weeks powdered fry food, occasional bbs
4-8 weeks crushed goldie flakes, occasional bbs
9-11 weeks crushed flakes,bbs, and micro worms (as you noticed, it takes time for them to get used to them)
12+ weeks reg. flakes, occasional frozen blood worms, and small pellets.
eventually i will every once in a while throw some earth worms for them when they are grown up (just like junior will be soon)
now all of this depends on growth rate, which is why i keep very high temeratures and they grow faster than anyone has ever seen! mostly 80+ F. junior there looks great, as long as you keep up you exellent care he looks like he will be a great focal point for any pond or tank some day!
i probably just rambled on for so long about nothing , it doesnt make sense...just sharing what works for me. GOOD LUCK, and great job so far!

Actually, your feedback was quite helpful.

I am concerned today after having done something stupid. I found clusters of the microworms on the underside of the lid so I took some of those instead of from the sides. When I put them in the tank, they were all dead. He spit most out, but ate some. I hope they were teaming with bacteria. If it ain't fresh I know they can get sick. I'll have to hold my breath for the next week and hope he's alright.

I'll try to take some pics later. He is now in my bedroom since my beloved betta, Bubba died. I'm making a new culture as this one stinks. From the sides of the container they are lively, but I notice that microworms are much bigger when you first start a new culture, then they get smaller. I need to get alternating cultures going now that he really likes the microworms.

He went from a basement temp of 67-70 to my bedroom on the second floor that is more like 74-75.

He's so shy now. He panics whenever I approach the tank. When he was younger, he didn't care, but it looks like the flee reflex has developed. I think this is typical in lower order creatures, especially when the tank is in a low traffic area.

hmmm, i wouldnt worry too much about the dead micro worms. Just think of some of the bacteria infested things they eat when they are in an outdoor pond. i mean unless there was like mold growing on them i wouldnt worry too much
as for the scared behavior, its a big change for him and it will take a few days to feel "safe" again. the tamp change is a major part in all of it.

I tried the crushed goldfish flakes, but I find he has difficulty eating them. He swims up to a piece that I think is small enough and his mouth seems tiny. I am still feeding him the Hikari First Bites powder which is small enough.

I'm thinking that his size is probably smaller than yours at 10 weeks due to the fact that he was in 67-70F temps, rather than warmer water which makes them grow faster. I wish I could measure him, but it is difficult.

whoa... LOOOOONNNGGG thread. i started reading around 4 (GMT -5) and just finished now.

real sorry that you lost 2 fry

good luck with Nemo

Thanks.

I will feel much more confident when my little guy gets to be a good inch long. With every day that goes by his chances of survival get better.

Nemo has been renamed once again. I don't know why, but I've been calling him Junior

yes that fry powder is very good. are you still giving him the bbs? i dont know is he will grow very fast on that powder...hehe

He's growing faster than he was now that he is getting microworms up to 3 times daily. I try to give him a fourth meal with the powder. Unfortunately, it has been too difficult to come home from work to feed him at lunch time as I once was. If I could feed him up to 6-7 times daily as I was at first, he would certainly grow faster.

might not want him to grow TOO TOO fast ].<

hows the little guy doin cory?
oh yeah by the way, my first bach of goldy fry this year hatched today!!!

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My goldfish spawned on my anacharis, and they ate it right back

- Mine ate most of their eggs as they popped 'em out.

The little guy is doing very well and growing much faster now that he has figured out how to wrestle with the microworms and win. It's like watching a toddler eat spaghetti *slurp*. My mother hadn't seen him in a week and was shocked at how much he has filled out. He gets beefier with each day, I swear.

I hope to post pics soon. I just have been trying to catch up with finals having been last week. I've got bills that are late, my house is a disaster and it was all left in an effort to get through with school one semester sooner . I was suppose to take one last class this summer, but squeezed it in the last spring term.

i think we're dieing for the pictures you can make up by posting 100 xD

finals....you gotta love em!!
lol NOT!

Here we are at Week 11 and 2 days:

Hhhhheerrrrreeeee's Junior!!!!

He's after a microworm here. Hopefully, it shows in the pic. That macro lens of mine not only caught the microworm in the pic as he was about to eat it, but it details all the algae I haven't scrubbed off the front glass. He's been eating it and pooping green. I'm just glad he's eating his veggies in between regular meals.

EDIT: I give up. I finally download netscape so I can post pictures directly to fishprofiles.com and now the connection keeps timing out any time I have the attach image option selected. Never did that to me before.

I'll have to add to my website and will try to post them here later. I'll put a link here in a few minutes, right into this post.

EDIT 2: Here's the pics in my photo album

Fry Pics of Junior at 11 weeks

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Way cool! He's starting to look like a real goldfish now!

It looks like a Micro Blue Oranda. Good luck raising him into a healthy adult.

How long is he now?

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I'm going to estimate about 13mm or just over half-inch in length. His length has increased slightly, but it's his body mass that has taken off. He is just filling out, rounding out and getting taller. He eats like a garbage disposal. That bump under his chin that worried me for the last 6 weeks is finally filling in with head. His head grew out to where that bump, which is basically where the gills ended, blends right in. If he's got any ryukin in him, I would expect him to soon be showing a deeper body versus that of a fry who is a product of two orandas.

I'm hoping he is part ryukin as that male has no swim bladder disorder whatsoever. Both orandas suffer from it regardless of their diet. As they are getting bigger themselves, it is more difficult for them to feed much. I have to do it in small feedings.

Oh - and he's finally able to run right up to larger pieces of goldfish flake and grab them in a single leap. As late as two weeks ago he was clumsy yet and just couldn't seem to grab stuff on the first try. Now he has mastered sudden attacks of microworms and flake . Last week he had a hard time eating these small pellets for fry and this week he has no trouble with them at all.

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He's looking really good Diane!

Wow...I dont know what to say, he looks fantastic.
Well done

awwwww
Cory_Di,
He's looking great! Funny how big he looks till you relize that the sec pic has hornwort in it, and his attack on the filter . 11 weeks, and still counting .

^_^

heheheh it looks so cute (wierd from a guy, i kno ). best of luck to you and junior.

=o Junior is finally growing!! And getting the famous beer-belly.

Yay XD

Beer Belly . I like that. Is that what fancy goldfish grow? I've never seen a fancy mature. In fact, I can't wait to see if he's a ryukin or an oranda. I'm hoping he's part ryukin.

I was beginning to worry that junior was eating too much. He eats constantly. When I'm not putting food in the tank he just grazes all day long on the algae. I sense I'm going to need that 10 gallon real soon.

looking good cory!!!
huess what, i have about 1000 newborn fry!
want some, lol

Is that in a pond, I hope . Do they just take care of themselves?

I don't think I could handle a large scale breeding operation. But, I have enjoyed rearing and tending to a small number of fry, even if it has dwindled to just one.

Well, Junior may be in trouble, but I'm not sure yet. I'm going to email Jungle and the Marine Biologists at That Fish Place and hopefully get an answer soon. I'm half tempted to take a feces sample to a local vet. I've got 12 weeks invested in this little guy. If I have to shell out 15 bucks for a fecal examination, oh well. I have been hoping to have him into my retirement.

The problem? His vent is inflammed. It is red all around. This smacks of intestinal parasites, something I still suspect is a problem with his mother and the other oranda, but have been unable to capture a fresh specimen at a time when I can rush it to the vet (they need it very fresh to look for moving parasites). However, his apetite and feces (colorful and full), as well as weight gain all counter that. I'm hoping it is not an internal infection brewing. One other thought I had was that maybe it is his coloring coming in since he is 3 months old today, but it doesn't look like that and is actually a little puffy. I hope it's just a mild case of fishy hemorrhoids .

I hope the wee guy doesn't take a turn on me. It wasn't like that yesterday.



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].< i hope Junior is just fine. hes/shes come such a long way, would be very sad to see him/her.... well you know.

good luck

Lets all chip in a dollar to bring him to the vet!!

Thanks.

I will feel much more confident when my little guy gets to be a good inch long. With every day that goes by his chances of survival get better.

Nemo has been renamed once again. I don't know why, but I've been calling him Junior

My goldfish spawned on my anacharis, and they ate it right back

hows the little guy doin cory?
oh yeah by the way, my first bach of goldy fry this year hatched today!!!

[span class="edited"][Edited by jimg87 2004-05-08 22:34][/span]

might not want him to grow TOO TOO fast ].<

He's growing faster than he was now that he is getting microworms up to 3 times daily. I try to give him a fourth meal with the powder. Unfortunately, it has been too difficult to come home from work to feed him at lunch time as I once was. If I could feed him up to 6-7 times daily as I was at first, he would certainly grow faster.

yes that fry powder is very good. are you still giving him the bbs? i dont know is he will grow very fast on that powder...hehe

I tried the crushed goldfish flakes, but I find he has difficulty eating them. He swims up to a piece that I think is small enough and his mouth seems tiny. I am still feeding him the Hikari First Bites powder which is small enough.

I'm thinking that his size is probably smaller than yours at 10 weeks due to the fact that he was in 67-70F temps, rather than warmer water which makes them grow faster. I wish I could measure him, but it is difficult.

any updates? has he been clear of that uhh.... what ever it was?